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Comes with a free US government backdoor to all of the foreign citizens' data and AI usage. Though of course this is already the status quo for all US companie

by Sol- 1y ago

Comes with a free US government backdoor to all of the foreign citizens' data and AI usage. Though of course this is already the status quo for all US companies abroad, so you have to give props to OpenAI for spelling it out explicitly: Give up what remains of your digital sovereignty to the US government and you get a small piece of the AGI pie.

tuyguntn 1y ago
additionally, anytime you oppose US government ideas, data centers in your country gets shutdown.
_bin_ 1y ago
The pattern for basically every small nation is "choose of which superpower you wish to be a client." From that patron you get some level of benefit. Not aligning with any either doesn't work (you get attacked) or means you get no benefit (and eventually get pushed into obscurity and instability.) You can make a lot of complaints about America but we have, looking back on history, been nicer than any other patron. Other good evidence includes the fact that europe is still standing (paying to rebuild) and her extravagant welfare states of the past decades, subsidized largely by American defense spending.
- delusional 1y ago
  I agree with most of what you said. America has been a great ally, mostly by allowing her allies to flourish independently of herself. The US did whatever she wanted to do, and so did her allies. This was a great benefit to all involved. > subsidized largely by American defense spending. This part is in my opinion ahistoric. US wars have not been popular in Europe. We did not want a war in Afghanistan or Iraq, we supported an ally calling for defense from terror. American war machine spending is rooted in her own desire for hard power, not pleas from her allies. All of this is coming to an end. Not because the US is retracting. I think most of the west would accept a more nationally interested US, but because the US is starting to see her allies as vassals that she should control. She is realigning as a traditional power, like the USSR. We are not vassals, we are independent nations seeking our own happiness.
- kubb 1y ago
  > The pattern for basically every small nation is "choose of which superpower you wish to be a client." This is straight up Russian mentality. > extravagant welfare states of the past decades, subsidized largely by American defense spending This sounds to me like a US partisan narrative rather than anything else. It’s a nice story, because it strokes the American ego, but I’ve yet seen it backed up by serious analysis. Most likely it’s just a story.
  - rowanseymour 1y ago
    > This is straight up Russian mentality. I don't know how you can look at nearly a century of US imperialism in Latin America and the Middle East and conclude that client states is a Russian thing.
  - _bin_ 1y ago
    This isn't a russian mentality, this is more of a realpolitik reading of how things work. Don't mistake a positive statement for a normative one. There was actually a really good article in the FT of all places on this subject: https://www.ft.com/content/37053b2b-ccda-4ce3-a25d-f1d0f82e7989 https://www.ft.com/content/37053b2b-ccda-4ce3-a25d-f1d0f82e7... The fact that the FT is picking this up should tell us something given its typical perspective. There are two big groups of countries in this situation concerned with keeping russia in check: America and the Euros. The former has less of a direct concern but more ability to do something about it; the former have more concerns but less ability. So we settled on a compromise where each country would contribute a proportion of GDP rather than a dollar figure. This is fair-ish; it's still a huge benefit to the euros, but pretty fair. Yet for decades, they have consistently failed to meet their proportional obligations, instead directing those funds to things like "free healthcare". Other major reasons they can do this include not having debt from having to finance the rebuilding of their continent themselves.
    - kubb 1y ago
      https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.CHEX.GD.ZS?most_recent_value_desc=true&locations=US https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.CHEX.GD.ZS?most_... The US is spending more of its GDP percentage-wise on healthcare than any European country. How you can consider the European spending "extravagant" is inexplicable, you have to be deep deep in the ideological rabbit hole, and unable to admit new information.

by Sol- 1y ago

tuyguntn 1y ago

additionally, anytime you oppose US government ideas, data centers in your country gets shutdown.

_bin_ 1y ago

The pattern for basically every small nation is "choose of which superpower you wish to be a client." From that patron you get some level of benefit. Not aligning with any either doesn't work (you get attacked) or means you get no benefit (and eventually get pushed into obscurity and instability.) You can make a lot of complaints about America but we have, looking back on history, been nicer than any other patron. Other good evidence includes the fact that europe is still standing (paying to rebuild) and her extravagant welfare states of the past decades, subsidized largely by American defense spending.

delusional 1y ago
I agree with most of what you said. America has been a great ally, mostly by allowing her allies to flourish independently of herself. The US did whatever she wanted to do, and so did her allies. This was a great benefit to all involved. > subsidized largely by American defense spending. This part is in my opinion ahistoric. US wars have not been popular in Europe. We did not want a war in Afghanistan or Iraq, we supported an ally calling for defense from terror. American war machine spending is rooted in her own desire for hard power, not pleas from her allies. All of this is coming to an end. Not because the US is retracting. I think most of the west would accept a more nationally interested US, but because the US is starting to see her allies as vassals that she should control. She is realigning as a traditional power, like the USSR. We are not vassals, we are independent nations seeking our own happiness.
kubb 1y ago
> The pattern for basically every small nation is "choose of which superpower you wish to be a client." This is straight up Russian mentality. > extravagant welfare states of the past decades, subsidized largely by American defense spending This sounds to me like a US partisan narrative rather than anything else. It’s a nice story, because it strokes the American ego, but I’ve yet seen it backed up by serious analysis. Most likely it’s just a story.
- rowanseymour 1y ago
  > This is straight up Russian mentality. I don't know how you can look at nearly a century of US imperialism in Latin America and the Middle East and conclude that client states is a Russian thing.
- _bin_ 1y ago
  This isn't a russian mentality, this is more of a realpolitik reading of how things work. Don't mistake a positive statement for a normative one. There was actually a really good article in the FT of all places on this subject: https://www.ft.com/content/37053b2b-ccda-4ce3-a25d-f1d0f82e7989 https://www.ft.com/content/37053b2b-ccda-4ce3-a25d-f1d0f82e7... The fact that the FT is picking this up should tell us something given its typical perspective. There are two big groups of countries in this situation concerned with keeping russia in check: America and the Euros. The former has less of a direct concern but more ability to do something about it; the former have more concerns but less ability. So we settled on a compromise where each country would contribute a proportion of GDP rather than a dollar figure. This is fair-ish; it's still a huge benefit to the euros, but pretty fair. Yet for decades, they have consistently failed to meet their proportional obligations, instead directing those funds to things like "free healthcare". Other major reasons they can do this include not having debt from having to finance the rebuilding of their continent themselves.
  - kubb 1y ago
    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.CHEX.GD.ZS?most_recent_value_desc=true&locations=US https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.CHEX.GD.ZS?most_... The US is spending more of its GDP percentage-wise on healthcare than any European country. How you can consider the European spending "extravagant" is inexplicable, you have to be deep deep in the ideological rabbit hole, and unable to admit new information.