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Nobody is seriously disputing the ownership of AI generated code. A serious dispute would be a considerable, concerted effort to stop AI code generation in any

Nobody is seriously disputing the ownership of AI generated code. A serious dispute would be a considerable, concerted effort to stop AI code generation in any jurisdiction, that provides a contrast to the enormous, ongoing efforts by multiple large players with eye-watering investments to make code generation bigger and better. Note, that this is not a statement about the fairness or morality of LLM building, but to think that the legality of AI code generation is something to reasonably worry about, is betting against multiple large players and their hundreds of billions of dollars in investment right now, and that likely puts you in a bad spot in reality.

reverius42 1y ago
> Nobody is seriously disputing the ownership of AI generated code From what I've been following it seems very likely that, at least in the US, AI-generated anything can't actually be copyrighted and thus can't have ownership at all! The legal implications of this are yet to percolate through the system though.
- staunton 1y ago
  Only if that interpretation lasts despite likely intense lobbying to the contrary.
mistrial9 1y ago
this is "Kool-aid" from the supply side of LLMs for coding IMO. Plenty of people are plenty upset about the capture of code at Github corral, fed into BigCorp$ training systems. parent statement reminds me of smug French in a castle north of London circa 1200, with furious locals standing outside the gates, dressed in rags with farm tools as weapons. One well-equipped tower guard says to another "no one is seriously disputing the administration of these lands"
- jstummbillig 1y ago
  I think the comparison falls flat, but it's actually really funny. I'll keep it in mind.
- _joel 1y ago
  Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries?
cess11 1y ago
Other forms of LLM output is being seriously challenged however. https://llmlitigation.com/case-updates.html https://llmlitigation.com/case-updates.html Personally I have roughly zero trust in US courts on this type of issue but we'll see how it goes. Arguably there are cases to be made where LLM:s cough up code cribbed from repos with certain licenses without crediting authors and so on. It's probably a matter of time until some aggressively litigious actors do serious, systematic attempts at getting money out of this, producing case law as a by product. Edit: Oh right, Butterick et al went after Copilot and image generation too. https://githubcopilotlitigation.com/case-updates.html https://githubcopilotlitigation.com/case-updates.html https://imagegeneratorlitigation.com/case-updates.html https://imagegeneratorlitigation.com/case-updates.html

reverius42 1y ago

> Nobody is seriously disputing the ownership of AI generated code From what I've been following it seems very likely that, at least in the US, AI-generated anything can't actually be copyrighted and thus can't have ownership at all! The legal implications of this are yet to percolate through the system though.

staunton 1y ago
Only if that interpretation lasts despite likely intense lobbying to the contrary.

mistrial9 1y ago

this is "Kool-aid" from the supply side of LLMs for coding IMO. Plenty of people are plenty upset about the capture of code at Github corral, fed into BigCorp$ training systems. parent statement reminds me of smug French in a castle north of London circa 1200, with furious locals standing outside the gates, dressed in rags with farm tools as weapons. One well-equipped tower guard says to another "no one is seriously disputing the administration of these lands"

jstummbillig 1y ago
I think the comparison falls flat, but it's actually really funny. I'll keep it in mind.
_joel 1y ago
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries?

cess11 1y ago

Other forms of LLM output is being seriously challenged however. https://llmlitigation.com/case-updates.html https://llmlitigation.com/case-updates.html Personally I have roughly zero trust in US courts on this type of issue but we'll see how it goes. Arguably there are cases to be made where LLM:s cough up code cribbed from repos with certain licenses without crediting authors and so on. It's probably a matter of time until some aggressively litigious actors do serious, systematic attempts at getting money out of this, producing case law as a by product. Edit: Oh right, Butterick et al went after Copilot and image generation too. https://githubcopilotlitigation.com/case-updates.html https://githubcopilotlitigation.com/case-updates.html https://imagegeneratorlitigation.com/case-updates.html https://imagegeneratorlitigation.com/case-updates.html