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The snickers bar allows more than a single query for the human though

TeMPOraL 1y ago
Temporarily, on the margin. A human would need multiple Snickers bars per day to survive, and can't survive on Snickers bars alone for more than couple days or weeks. Also no human is anywhere close to being as knowledgeable and skilled as LLMs at all the things at the same time, so it hardly even compares.
- drilbo 1y ago
  days? Pretty sure I could survive at least a couple years off snicker bars
  - krisoft 1y ago
    Probably not years. My guess is that scurvy, beriberi, or some other deficiency would get you in at most a year.
    - eru 1y ago
      Though most of these diseases can be avoided with some minimal fortification to the snickers bar that wouldn't really require noticeably more energy.
- kortilla 1y ago
  > and can't survive on Snickers bars alone for more than couple days or weeks. lol, the spoiled times we live in that you think this. The human body is capable of surviving on very little. A thing with protein, fat and sugar would sustain you for incredible amounts of time. Many many months if not years.
  - eru 1y ago
    Only if you also ate some random other stuff you found lying around. Doesn't even have to provide much in the way of energy, just enough 'dirt' to round out your diet with whatever other essentials you need. Human bodies have evolved to survive for a long time on relatively little, yes. But not to evolve for a very long time on a single source of very 'clean' food like snickers bars. 'Clean' in the sense that chemically snickers has relatively well defined inputs, whereas hungry humans would eat just about anything, including insects and grass and bark or leather.
    - kortilla 1y ago
      This isn’t true. There are countless cases of people surviving for months on nearly no food at all. I’m not talking about what it takes to stay alive for long term periods. I was refuting the silly idea that you would die after a couple of days/weeks of snickers.
  - ben_w 1y ago
    How much vitamin C is in a snickers bar? I think you'd get scurvy within a month or two if that's all you had. How much vitamin A? Night blindness. Vitamin B? Neurological issues, confusion. That's the thing with mono-diets, your body needs a diverse range of things that it can't synthesise itself. But to the core point, in cases where the output of an LLM is good enough, many already have much lower energy requirements than humans: o4-mini is currently priced at $1.1 per million tokens of input and $4.4/million tokens of output; if that's all being spent on electricity at $0.1/kWh, that's a max of 11 kWh/million tokens in and 44 kWh/million tokens out — how many calories would a human have to burn to read, write, hear, speak, and internally monologue the equivalent of a million tokens?
jjmarr 1y ago
I don't think I could write lengthy responses to hundreds of questions on a singular Snickers bar. I would need multiple.

Temporarily, on the margin. A human would need multiple Snickers bars per day to survive, and can't survive on Snickers bars alone for more than couple days or weeks. Also no human is anywhere close to being as knowledgeable and skilled as LLMs at all the things at the same time, so it hardly even compares.

drilbo 1y ago
days? Pretty sure I could survive at least a couple years off snicker bars
- krisoft 1y ago
  Probably not years. My guess is that scurvy, beriberi, or some other deficiency would get you in at most a year.
  - eru 1y ago
    Though most of these diseases can be avoided with some minimal fortification to the snickers bar that wouldn't really require noticeably more energy.
kortilla 1y ago
> and can't survive on Snickers bars alone for more than couple days or weeks. lol, the spoiled times we live in that you think this. The human body is capable of surviving on very little. A thing with protein, fat and sugar would sustain you for incredible amounts of time. Many many months if not years.
- eru 1y ago
  Only if you also ate some random other stuff you found lying around. Doesn't even have to provide much in the way of energy, just enough 'dirt' to round out your diet with whatever other essentials you need. Human bodies have evolved to survive for a long time on relatively little, yes. But not to evolve for a very long time on a single source of very 'clean' food like snickers bars. 'Clean' in the sense that chemically snickers has relatively well defined inputs, whereas hungry humans would eat just about anything, including insects and grass and bark or leather.
  - kortilla 1y ago
    This isn’t true. There are countless cases of people surviving for months on nearly no food at all. I’m not talking about what it takes to stay alive for long term periods. I was refuting the silly idea that you would die after a couple of days/weeks of snickers.
- ben_w 1y ago
  How much vitamin C is in a snickers bar? I think you'd get scurvy within a month or two if that's all you had. How much vitamin A? Night blindness. Vitamin B? Neurological issues, confusion. That's the thing with mono-diets, your body needs a diverse range of things that it can't synthesise itself. But to the core point, in cases where the output of an LLM is good enough, many already have much lower energy requirements than humans: o4-mini is currently priced at $1.1 per million tokens of input and $4.4/million tokens of output; if that's all being spent on electricity at $0.1/kWh, that's a max of 11 kWh/million tokens in and 44 kWh/million tokens out — how many calories would a human have to burn to read, write, hear, speak, and internally monologue the equivalent of a million tokens?

jjmarr 1y ago

I don't think I could write lengthy responses to hundreds of questions on a singular Snickers bar. I would need multiple.