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> Autotune is for whippersnappers. Yeah, WTF is up with that. It's autotune everywhere now. It was originally intended for some limited uses and it wasn't supp

> Autotune is for whippersnappers. Yeah, WTF is up with that. It's autotune everywhere now. It was originally intended for some limited uses and it wasn't supposed to be obvious. And now it's obviously everywhere. I suspect it's going to make it easier for AI vocalists to take over.

mtalantikite 1y ago
You can thank T-Pain for it [1], but the hilarious thing is he can actually sing [2] unlike most of the others using it. [1] https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/06/t-pain-usher-ruined-music-auto-tune-depression-netflix-this-is-pop https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/06/t-pain-usher-ruined... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIjXUg1s5gc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIjXUg1s5gc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91ck0vJBygo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91ck0vJBygo
- BizarroLand 1y ago
  Almost every popular artist can sing far better than the average person. It's not a question of skill or talent, it's a question of perfect or imperfect. The hype train does not allow for imperfection, nor does it stop for anything that isn't better than human.
WWLink 1y ago
AFAIK lots of new remasters of classic albums are auto-tuning the vocals as well. https://www.reddit.com/r/audioengineering/comments/1bfxj2d/why_do_so_many_recent_remixesremasters_of_classic/ https://www.reddit.com/r/audioengineering/comments/1bfxj2d/w...
- WalterBright 1y ago
  I avoid the remasters.
ryandrake 1y ago
With a few notable exceptions, today musicians need to be good looking in order to be marketable. It's much easier to take a beautiful or handsome model who doesn't have musical talent and use technology to manufacture a musician out of them, than it is to take a homely but talented musician and manufacture a star out of them.
- apercu 1y ago
  And under 30. I jest but let’s not say “musicians” need to be good looking but maybe in most cases “chart topping” musicians.
  - scarface_74 1y ago
    It’s always been a young persons game - at least as far back as the 80s I’m lazy and didn’t feel like doing the work myself. https://chatgpt.com/share/681bf3ea-c650-8010-988d-173af745c8da https://chatgpt.com/share/681bf3ea-c650-8010-988d-173af745c8... But these results were based on using ChatGPT’s web search and Python tools and you can verify the citations and the Python code yourself. Stats for the top 20 artists Median age: 30 Mean: 30.55 Range: 22-29 I did the same analysis for 20 years ago for this week and the median and the range was 29.5 years old and the range was 18 to 35. The top 10 20 years before that had a median of 26, a mean of 29.5 and a range between 21-37. Those numbers aren’t quite as accurate because “We are the World” was #2 and you had a lot of groups back then
- tremon 1y ago
  Also, they must work alone. It seems a music "artist" these days is only the face of the operation, the composers and stage musicians deserve no mention apparently.

mtalantikite 1y ago

You can thank T-Pain for it [1], but the hilarious thing is he can actually sing [2] unlike most of the others using it. [1] https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/06/t-pain-usher-ruined-music-auto-tune-depression-netflix-this-is-pop https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/06/t-pain-usher-ruined... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIjXUg1s5gc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIjXUg1s5gc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91ck0vJBygo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91ck0vJBygo

BizarroLand 1y ago
Almost every popular artist can sing far better than the average person. It's not a question of skill or talent, it's a question of perfect or imperfect. The hype train does not allow for imperfection, nor does it stop for anything that isn't better than human.

WWLink 1y ago

AFAIK lots of new remasters of classic albums are auto-tuning the vocals as well. https://www.reddit.com/r/audioengineering/comments/1bfxj2d/why_do_so_many_recent_remixesremasters_of_classic/ https://www.reddit.com/r/audioengineering/comments/1bfxj2d/w...

WalterBright 1y ago
I avoid the remasters.

ryandrake 1y ago

With a few notable exceptions, today musicians need to be good looking in order to be marketable. It's much easier to take a beautiful or handsome model who doesn't have musical talent and use technology to manufacture a musician out of them, than it is to take a homely but talented musician and manufacture a star out of them.

apercu 1y ago
And under 30. I jest but let’s not say “musicians” need to be good looking but maybe in most cases “chart topping” musicians.
- scarface_74 1y ago
  It’s always been a young persons game - at least as far back as the 80s I’m lazy and didn’t feel like doing the work myself. https://chatgpt.com/share/681bf3ea-c650-8010-988d-173af745c8da https://chatgpt.com/share/681bf3ea-c650-8010-988d-173af745c8... But these results were based on using ChatGPT’s web search and Python tools and you can verify the citations and the Python code yourself. Stats for the top 20 artists Median age: 30 Mean: 30.55 Range: 22-29 I did the same analysis for 20 years ago for this week and the median and the range was 29.5 years old and the range was 18 to 35. The top 10 20 years before that had a median of 26, a mean of 29.5 and a range between 21-37. Those numbers aren’t quite as accurate because “We are the World” was #2 and you had a lot of groups back then
tremon 1y ago
Also, they must work alone. It seems a music "artist" these days is only the face of the operation, the composers and stage musicians deserve no mention apparently.