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Or exfiltrating enriched nuclear material from NUMEC in the US to get their weapons program underway (Apollo affair) in 1976, or violating the nuclear test trea

by rozap 1y ago

Or exfiltrating enriched nuclear material from NUMEC in the US to get their weapons program underway (Apollo affair) in 1976, or violating the nuclear test treaty off the coast of South Africa (Vela incident) in 1979, or blackmailing Clinton in 1998 (Jonathan Pollard incident). Or any number of other things. And these are just the things we know about. But we know why they are special and get away with things that any other country would be in serious shit for. AIPAC does not fuck around. They play to win. And the evangelicals support it because of their belief about the second coming of christ.

jazzyjackson 1y ago
Fine, not wrong, but you missed the rather heavy factor of the western powers feeling they owe a huge debt to the Jewish people for turning their boats back during the Holocaust. It's a "no one helps you til you help yourself" scenario, now that a state exists with a mission to give Jews safe refuge and self governance, they have (some of) the world's sympathy. its not merely because of a few lobbyists and evangelicals' wacky eschatology
- ratg13 1y ago
  The heavy factor is all of the spying. At one point Israel even handled all of the wiretaps for the US.. so if a US government agency needed a wiretap, it would have to go through Israel. Then there's the active spying.. Stuff like this: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2002/mar/06/internationaleducationnews.highereducation https://www.theguardian.com/education/2002/mar/06/internatio... And when they get caught, nothing ever happens
  - mptest 1y ago
    Can highly recommend Pegasus: a spy in your pocket about this very topic and much more journalists have to go through. terrifying stuff. e.g. jamal kashoggi (and his partner) had it on his phone when he got murdered by SA.
- megous 1y ago
  No sympathy to anyone who justifies destruction of entire cities (like this https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1920242384111055286 https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1920242384111055286) as self-defense. Even in my small disgusting genocide supporting country in the center of europe, things are slowly starting to change at this point.

by rozap 1y ago

jazzyjackson 1y ago

Fine, not wrong, but you missed the rather heavy factor of the western powers feeling they owe a huge debt to the Jewish people for turning their boats back during the Holocaust. It's a "no one helps you til you help yourself" scenario, now that a state exists with a mission to give Jews safe refuge and self governance, they have (some of) the world's sympathy. its not merely because of a few lobbyists and evangelicals' wacky eschatology

ratg13 1y ago
The heavy factor is all of the spying. At one point Israel even handled all of the wiretaps for the US.. so if a US government agency needed a wiretap, it would have to go through Israel. Then there's the active spying.. Stuff like this: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2002/mar/06/internationaleducationnews.highereducation https://www.theguardian.com/education/2002/mar/06/internatio... And when they get caught, nothing ever happens
- mptest 1y ago
  Can highly recommend Pegasus: a spy in your pocket about this very topic and much more journalists have to go through. terrifying stuff. e.g. jamal kashoggi (and his partner) had it on his phone when he got murdered by SA.
megous 1y ago
No sympathy to anyone who justifies destruction of entire cities (like this https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1920242384111055286 https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1920242384111055286) as self-defense. Even in my small disgusting genocide supporting country in the center of europe, things are slowly starting to change at this point.