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I see your point but not really true. people in good shape vs. people who lost weight is pretty visible

ben_w 1y ago
If you're as muscular as Schwarzenegger, some people will fancy you, others will say you're ugly and unnatural because you're taking steroids. On weight, France (amongst others) had to ban extremely low BMI models*, which implies that people are very happy to look at — and desire to have — dangerous body forms. * https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32174364 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32174364
- arp242 1y ago
  The "stick figure" fashion models have been widely ridiculed for as long as I can remember, since the 90s. It mostly seems confined to the fashion industry: models outside of that tend to be thin, but not as extremely so. I'm not really clued up on that world to know why this is the case.
  - macintux 1y ago
    I remember the phrase "heroin chic" from that era.
    - throwaway2037 1y ago
      Gisele Bündchen is one of the most famous runway models in the world. Surely, her BMI is below 18. (If you look at unstaged photos of her, she is so unbelievably thin. No one would think a relative who looked like that was healthy.) I am pretty sure that is the "legal" limit in France. How do they work around it? Does she never walk the runways in Paris?
- throwaway2037 1y ago
  This is such a classic HN overreach. The OP wrote: > people in good shape vs. people who lost weight is pretty visible You then reached for two polar extremes: Professional body builders who abuse performance enhancing drugs (steriods, HGH, etc.) and people with eating disorders. People in good shape can be someone who runs/bikes/swims for 30-60 mins a few times a week.
const_cast 1y ago
It’s not really, and it’s more complicated than we think. If we take a gander at Hollywood, we would be deceived into thinking it’s full of men who take really, really good care of themselves. But it’s not so - most are taking steroids, and even more are doing extreme starvation diets prior to roles. We can actually see the inflation of physique in real time. Look back 5 years, then 10, then 20. Look at the protagonists - they represent the “peak” of what humans want to look like. By today’s standards, those super heros 20 years ago are scrawny.
- lotsoweiners 1y ago
  I dunno about this. When I was growing up in the 80s and 90s, the biggest action stars were Schwarzenegger and Stallone. Most of the top action stars of today look a little lean compared to those 2 in my opinion.
  - sdwr 1y ago
    I think Tom Hanks in Big is the ideal male body. He works out, but it's not the center of his personality.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    We've definitely had a bit of a roller coaster in which we had stigma against steroids for a while and now we don't, since we have so many new, advanced, and stealthy steroids.
JCharante 1y ago
but no one claims that it's a way to get you into good shape. Just a way to not be obese.

If you're as muscular as Schwarzenegger, some people will fancy you, others will say you're ugly and unnatural because you're taking steroids. On weight, France (amongst others) had to ban extremely low BMI models*, which implies that people are very happy to look at — and desire to have — dangerous body forms. * https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32174364 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32174364

arp242 1y ago
The "stick figure" fashion models have been widely ridiculed for as long as I can remember, since the 90s. It mostly seems confined to the fashion industry: models outside of that tend to be thin, but not as extremely so. I'm not really clued up on that world to know why this is the case.
- macintux 1y ago
  I remember the phrase "heroin chic" from that era.
  - throwaway2037 1y ago
    Gisele Bündchen is one of the most famous runway models in the world. Surely, her BMI is below 18. (If you look at unstaged photos of her, she is so unbelievably thin. No one would think a relative who looked like that was healthy.) I am pretty sure that is the "legal" limit in France. How do they work around it? Does she never walk the runways in Paris?
throwaway2037 1y ago
This is such a classic HN overreach. The OP wrote: > people in good shape vs. people who lost weight is pretty visible You then reached for two polar extremes: Professional body builders who abuse performance enhancing drugs (steriods, HGH, etc.) and people with eating disorders. People in good shape can be someone who runs/bikes/swims for 30-60 mins a few times a week.

const_cast 1y ago

It’s not really, and it’s more complicated than we think. If we take a gander at Hollywood, we would be deceived into thinking it’s full of men who take really, really good care of themselves. But it’s not so - most are taking steroids, and even more are doing extreme starvation diets prior to roles. We can actually see the inflation of physique in real time. Look back 5 years, then 10, then 20. Look at the protagonists - they represent the “peak” of what humans want to look like. By today’s standards, those super heros 20 years ago are scrawny.

lotsoweiners 1y ago
I dunno about this. When I was growing up in the 80s and 90s, the biggest action stars were Schwarzenegger and Stallone. Most of the top action stars of today look a little lean compared to those 2 in my opinion.
- sdwr 1y ago
  I think Tom Hanks in Big is the ideal male body. He works out, but it's not the center of his personality.
- const_cast 1y ago
  We've definitely had a bit of a roller coaster in which we had stigma against steroids for a while and now we don't, since we have so many new, advanced, and stealthy steroids.

JCharante 1y ago

but no one claims that it's a way to get you into good shape. Just a way to not be obese.