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As parent says, would you rather have “undisciplined” obese people or undisciplined non-obese people? Because those are the realistic choices here.
by xrisk 1y ago
As parent says, would you rather have “undisciplined” obese people or undisciplined non-obese people? Because those are the realistic choices here.
- betterThanTexas 1y agoSomeone else's lack of discipline has a far more negative effect on my life than their obesity does. So I reject this choice entirely—I'd rather we stop looking for easy fixes to hard problems. I don't judge people for taking ozempic, but I am absolutely confused why people see this as a massive win for society. We're just doubling down on our dysfunction.
- chneu 1y agoThis is just not addressing the issue. What's causing the hormone issues? Who cares. Throw a pill at it and we can forget about it.
- betterThanTexas 1y ago> Throw a pill at it and we can forget about it. I don't really see myself ever forgiving the west for prioritizing medication over holistic treatment. I've been through way too many mental health institutions to ever trust medicated treatment.
- kelseyfrog 1y agoI agree with you in the same way that casts don't fix the underlying problem - a broken bone, or band-aids don't fix the issue - a cut. Until people start to treat the real issue and stop relying on crutches, we're just covering up the problem.
- busyant 1y agoSo, what's your solution to "lack of self discipline"? What is the physical basis for lack of self discipline?
- betterThanTexas 1y ago> So, what's your solution to "lack of self discipline"? IDK, wanting to be alive and happy? > What is the physical basis for lack of self discipline? That's just a category error. I just don't see obesity as worth caring about on an individual-level compared to the social dysfunction that produces it. If we can only address problems on an individual-level I don't really see why I should expect anything positive from society—that's just not rational.
- busyant 1y agoYou just avoided answering the questions entirely. But you still want to pass judgement using your ill-defined concept of "self discipline."
- umbra07 1y agoWe can live in the world where people don't take GLP-1s, and there are a lot of fat, unhealthy, and undisciplined people. Or we can live in the world where people do take GLP-1s, and there are a lot of not-fat, healthier, still-undisciplined people. I would rather live in the second world. I don't understand why you want to live in the first world (over the second world).