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Are these IDEs really top tier though? I found them slow and laggy. Switching to even something like VS Code was night and day difference. I have PTSD from acc

Are these IDEs really top tier though? I found them slow and laggy. Switching to even something like VS Code was night and day difference. I have PTSD from accidentally opening CLion or PyCharm. Fans starts spinning and there is dozens of seconds wait to close this thing down.

not_kurt_godel 1y ago
As someone with decades of software engineering under my belt, my opinion is they are the best IDEs out there by a comfortable margin. It's possible the issue you're encountering when accidentally opening them is due to index updates which would occur disproportionately often on startup for people who otherwise never use them. Other than that, performance is more than satisfactory 90+% of the time in my experience.
- the__alchemist 1y ago
  You can have both, no? best IDEs by a comfortable margin, and also lament the fans screaming and waits... That's my experience with Jetbrains!
  - not_kurt_godel 1y ago
    That's what I would have said about Eclipse about 15 years ago. I rarely have performance issues with Jetbrains IDEs, and even rarer still that they bog down the whole machine. Get a properly specced computer (32+GB RAM, 10+ core chip) if you don't already have one. Also try adjusting memory settings - https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/increasing-memory-heap.html https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/increasing-memory-heap.h...
Maxatar 1y ago
That's just it. In my company there are basically three sets of developers. The very experienced ones prefer vim/emacs. The experienced ones tend to like these more established IDEs, and the younger developers absolutely hate these IDEs and find them to be slow and bloated. I can't really comment on whether they are good or not since from my perspective I see people who are productive and unproductive using both of these tools, so to me it just looks like mostly a matter of preference. But newer developers don't seem to like these established IDEs and see them as you said: big, slow and laggy.
- varispeed 1y ago
  I work fast and I have ADD. If I have to wait for the tool to do something and it breaks my flow, I am out. It is simple as that. Some people like slow IDEs, because that gives them time to have a cuppa or browse Reddit when the "index is updating". I have no time for that.
koakuma-chan 1y ago
Have you tried Fleet? It's a next generation IDE from JetBrains and some of it is written in Rust.
- NoahKAndrews 1y ago
  It seems like JetBrains may be giving up on Fleet. Honestly though, I think their established IDEs are good enough to be worth a few bugs and performance issues.
simion314 1y ago
Intellij is an IDE where VS Code is a bit mroe then a text editor. When you open a project for the first time it takes time because it is indexed , maybe it will index your dependencies if you did not bother to disable that. IWhen i open a file /project from a collegue that uses VS Code is filled with errors and warnings because their VS code text editor is not actually understanding the code they are editing.
- symlinkk 1y ago
  People that say this are completely out of touch. You know there are VSCode extensions for Java (made by Oracle and Redhat themselves), right? Once you install that you get Intellisense, debugging, etc. Same with C#, Python, etc.
  - simion314 1y ago
    I know that, once but once you install that you will not be able to praise VS Code performance anymore, you just get an inferior Intellij IDE in all dimensions.
    - symlinkk 1y ago
      Not all dimensions. VSCode’s Remote SSH is better and UI is better. To me that’s worth the trade offs.
      - simion314 1y ago
        >Not all dimensions. VSCode’s Remote SSH is better and UI is better. To me that’s worth the trade offs. I do not use those but I believe you, in all N-2 dimensions
insane_dreamer 1y ago
Can't speak for CLion, but for heavy python development, PyCharm is much better than anything else out there that I have tried.

not_kurt_godel 1y ago

As someone with decades of software engineering under my belt, my opinion is they are the best IDEs out there by a comfortable margin. It's possible the issue you're encountering when accidentally opening them is due to index updates which would occur disproportionately often on startup for people who otherwise never use them. Other than that, performance is more than satisfactory 90+% of the time in my experience.

the__alchemist 1y ago
You can have both, no? best IDEs by a comfortable margin, and also lament the fans screaming and waits... That's my experience with Jetbrains!
- not_kurt_godel 1y ago
  That's what I would have said about Eclipse about 15 years ago. I rarely have performance issues with Jetbrains IDEs, and even rarer still that they bog down the whole machine. Get a properly specced computer (32+GB RAM, 10+ core chip) if you don't already have one. Also try adjusting memory settings - https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/increasing-memory-heap.html https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/increasing-memory-heap.h...

Maxatar 1y ago

That's just it. In my company there are basically three sets of developers. The very experienced ones prefer vim/emacs. The experienced ones tend to like these more established IDEs, and the younger developers absolutely hate these IDEs and find them to be slow and bloated. I can't really comment on whether they are good or not since from my perspective I see people who are productive and unproductive using both of these tools, so to me it just looks like mostly a matter of preference. But newer developers don't seem to like these established IDEs and see them as you said: big, slow and laggy.

varispeed 1y ago
I work fast and I have ADD. If I have to wait for the tool to do something and it breaks my flow, I am out. It is simple as that. Some people like slow IDEs, because that gives them time to have a cuppa or browse Reddit when the "index is updating". I have no time for that.

koakuma-chan 1y ago

Have you tried Fleet? It's a next generation IDE from JetBrains and some of it is written in Rust.

NoahKAndrews 1y ago
It seems like JetBrains may be giving up on Fleet. Honestly though, I think their established IDEs are good enough to be worth a few bugs and performance issues.

simion314 1y ago

Intellij is an IDE where VS Code is a bit mroe then a text editor. When you open a project for the first time it takes time because it is indexed , maybe it will index your dependencies if you did not bother to disable that. IWhen i open a file /project from a collegue that uses VS Code is filled with errors and warnings because their VS code text editor is not actually understanding the code they are editing.

symlinkk 1y ago
People that say this are completely out of touch. You know there are VSCode extensions for Java (made by Oracle and Redhat themselves), right? Once you install that you get Intellisense, debugging, etc. Same with C#, Python, etc.
- simion314 1y ago
  I know that, once but once you install that you will not be able to praise VS Code performance anymore, you just get an inferior Intellij IDE in all dimensions.
  - symlinkk 1y ago
    Not all dimensions. VSCode’s Remote SSH is better and UI is better. To me that’s worth the trade offs.
    - simion314 1y ago
      >Not all dimensions. VSCode’s Remote SSH is better and UI is better. To me that’s worth the trade offs. I do not use those but I believe you, in all N-2 dimensions

insane_dreamer 1y ago

Can't speak for CLion, but for heavy python development, PyCharm is much better than anything else out there that I have tried.