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Integrate it over time and you'll get a different result: JetBrains will still be with us 20 years from now, while these "AI" startups will go the way of NFTs a

Integrate it over time and you'll get a different result: JetBrains will still be with us 20 years from now, while these "AI" startups will go the way of NFTs and blockchain long before that.

hbn 1y ago
But their founders ran off with a fat paycheck so the system worked as intended
- asadm 1y ago
  Life is like that, some are more blessed than others in some metric. You gotta make your own lemonade.
riku_iki 1y ago
I (and many others) use LLM for coding tasks multiple times a day, its very unlikely they will go the way of NFTs.
- Eggpants 1y ago
  Then your “code” is riddled with bugs. Coding by Statistics will only end in tears.
  - riku_iki 1y ago
    I didn't say I blindly trust generated code, it needs to be read through and covered by tests, but tasks like generate boilerplate code for some lib I never used before and which would take time to locate and read through documentation now are 10x faster. There is huge utility in LLM outside generating complete working code.
  - asdsadasdasd123 1y ago
    This is just cope. We've rolled out cursor company wide with no noticeable uptick in bugs.
- lolinder 1y ago
  Most "AI" startups aren't building coding tools, and the utility of this tech goes down dramatically in industries that are less legible on the open internet than software is.
  - riku_iki 1y ago
    > industries that are less legible on the open internet I think there will be also wave of private LLMs fine-tuned on corporate data, and it will be also good tools.
nsonha 1y ago
They're a great company but geopolitics is working against them. Also AI should not be lumped together with literal fraud, that's lazy.
- bitwize 1y ago
  It's not us lumping AI together with fraud. It's the companies employing, for example, Actually Indians to do things they claim are done by machine. Or the ones marketing ChatGPT with various agentic hookups as a replacement for developers. Or...
- devmor 1y ago
  I believe that's why the comment author put "AI" in quotation marks. There's a massive amount of fraud around "AI" right now, as there always is in the startup scene with a hot new technology.
  - nsonha 1y ago
    there is still a distinction as the field itself is not a hoax, which I can't say the same about NFT. Unless you prefer to think of the AI field as representable by a bunch of Indians actually behind software, as the sibling (insincerely and again lazily) reduces it to.
    - bitwize 1y ago
      Where am I reducing an entire field to anything? If one truthfully says there's a bunch of companies doing this or that, that associate AI with fraud, that's not the same as reducing an entire field to fraud.
    - immibis 1y ago
      Engineers that want to run startups need to stop denouncing fields they don't like as "fraud". Some people made more money than you. Learn from them and it could be you next time.
- echelon 1y ago
  > geopolitics is working against them. Do most people even know they're a Russian company? Do businesses decide not to invest for that reason?

Integrate it over time and you'll get a different result: JetBrains will still be with us 20 years from now, while these "AI" startups will go the way of NFTs and blockchain long before that.

hbn 1y ago

But their founders ran off with a fat paycheck so the system worked as intended

asadm 1y ago
Life is like that, some are more blessed than others in some metric. You gotta make your own lemonade.

riku_iki 1y ago

I (and many others) use LLM for coding tasks multiple times a day, its very unlikely they will go the way of NFTs.

Eggpants 1y ago
Then your “code” is riddled with bugs. Coding by Statistics will only end in tears.
- riku_iki 1y ago
  I didn't say I blindly trust generated code, it needs to be read through and covered by tests, but tasks like generate boilerplate code for some lib I never used before and which would take time to locate and read through documentation now are 10x faster. There is huge utility in LLM outside generating complete working code.
- asdsadasdasd123 1y ago
  This is just cope. We've rolled out cursor company wide with no noticeable uptick in bugs.
lolinder 1y ago
Most "AI" startups aren't building coding tools, and the utility of this tech goes down dramatically in industries that are less legible on the open internet than software is.
- riku_iki 1y ago
  > industries that are less legible on the open internet I think there will be also wave of private LLMs fine-tuned on corporate data, and it will be also good tools.

nsonha 1y ago

They're a great company but geopolitics is working against them. Also AI should not be lumped together with literal fraud, that's lazy.

bitwize 1y ago
It's not us lumping AI together with fraud. It's the companies employing, for example, Actually Indians to do things they claim are done by machine. Or the ones marketing ChatGPT with various agentic hookups as a replacement for developers. Or...
devmor 1y ago
I believe that's why the comment author put "AI" in quotation marks. There's a massive amount of fraud around "AI" right now, as there always is in the startup scene with a hot new technology.
- nsonha 1y ago
  there is still a distinction as the field itself is not a hoax, which I can't say the same about NFT. Unless you prefer to think of the AI field as representable by a bunch of Indians actually behind software, as the sibling (insincerely and again lazily) reduces it to.
  - bitwize 1y ago
    Where am I reducing an entire field to anything? If one truthfully says there's a bunch of companies doing this or that, that associate AI with fraud, that's not the same as reducing an entire field to fraud.
  - immibis 1y ago
    Engineers that want to run startups need to stop denouncing fields they don't like as "fraud". Some people made more money than you. Learn from them and it could be you next time.
echelon 1y ago
> geopolitics is working against them. Do most people even know they're a Russian company? Do businesses decide not to invest for that reason?