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I guess this one (Mistral Medium 3) won't be open?

kergonath 1y ago
Correct: https://docs.mistral.ai/getting-started/models/models_overview/ https://docs.mistral.ai/getting-started/models/models_overvi...
- moralestapia 1y ago
  Hmm, bearish on Mistral now. I thought they had a plan to monetize that was much more sophisticated than "freemium". There's no reason for someone to use this over Anthropic, OpenAI, etc ... they don't even outperform them.
  - Jackson__ 1y ago
    Ah, but here's the thing! If you carefully read their performance chart, they beat every open source model they bothered to list. So if we were in a world in which they released this model, and only the listed open source models existed, they would be le SOTA!
    - ed 1y ago
      DeepSeek wins most benchmarks according to that chart, so not quite SOTA, and there's no mention of model size so it's hard to compare efficiency
  - Kuinox 1y ago
    Business can self deploy Mistral models in their infra. You cant do that with the providers you listed.
    - moralestapia 1y ago
      Indeed, however in practice almost nobody does it. They event hint at it on their PR: "Mistral La Plateforme and Amazon Sagemaker, and soon on IBM WatsonX, NVIDIA NIM, Azure AI Foundry, and Google Cloud Vertex" My point being, why would you pay to use a Mistral model hosted on Azure, instead of using any other company model hosted on Azure? My answer to that, yesterday, would have been "because the model is free and unrestricted, I only pay for hardware"; that premise is gone today.
      - Kuinox 1y ago
        > Indeed, however in practice almost nobody does it. They released it at the same time of the article we are discussing on... https://mistral.ai/news/le-chat-enterprise https://mistral.ai/news/le-chat-enterprise
    - jokethrowaway 1y ago
      EU Legal / Privacy teams are generally fine with OpenAI models running on Azure from my experience (I assume for GDPR reasons). That's "my infra" enough. And you get decent quality models without the hassle of maintaining the infra.
    - Palmik 1y ago
      The big dogs also offer on-prem if you are important enough. Here's article for Gemini: https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/ai-machine-learning/run-gemini-and-ai-on-prem-with-google-distributed-cloud https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/ai-machine-learning/r...
  - qeternity 1y ago
    > There's no reason for someone to use this over Anthropic, OpenAI, etc Uh except that you can host this yourself? You just have to license the model. What is the issue?
    - moralestapia 1y ago
      >You just have to license the model. That's the issue.
deanc 1y ago
They are dropping some hints about a larger model and something relating to open models in the final paragraph: > With the launches of Mistral Small in March and Mistral Medium today, it’s no secret that we’re working on something ‘large’ over the next few weeks. With even our medium-sized model being resoundingly better than flagship open source models such as Llama 4 Maverick, we’re excited to ‘open’ up what’s to come :)

Correct: https://docs.mistral.ai/getting-started/models/models_overview/ https://docs.mistral.ai/getting-started/models/models_overvi...

moralestapia 1y ago
Hmm, bearish on Mistral now. I thought they had a plan to monetize that was much more sophisticated than "freemium". There's no reason for someone to use this over Anthropic, OpenAI, etc ... they don't even outperform them.
- Jackson__ 1y ago
  Ah, but here's the thing! If you carefully read their performance chart, they beat every open source model they bothered to list. So if we were in a world in which they released this model, and only the listed open source models existed, they would be le SOTA!
  - ed 1y ago
    DeepSeek wins most benchmarks according to that chart, so not quite SOTA, and there's no mention of model size so it's hard to compare efficiency
- Kuinox 1y ago
  Business can self deploy Mistral models in their infra. You cant do that with the providers you listed.
  - moralestapia 1y ago
    Indeed, however in practice almost nobody does it. They event hint at it on their PR: "Mistral La Plateforme and Amazon Sagemaker, and soon on IBM WatsonX, NVIDIA NIM, Azure AI Foundry, and Google Cloud Vertex" My point being, why would you pay to use a Mistral model hosted on Azure, instead of using any other company model hosted on Azure? My answer to that, yesterday, would have been "because the model is free and unrestricted, I only pay for hardware"; that premise is gone today.
    - Kuinox 1y ago
      > Indeed, however in practice almost nobody does it. They released it at the same time of the article we are discussing on... https://mistral.ai/news/le-chat-enterprise https://mistral.ai/news/le-chat-enterprise
  - jokethrowaway 1y ago
    EU Legal / Privacy teams are generally fine with OpenAI models running on Azure from my experience (I assume for GDPR reasons). That's "my infra" enough. And you get decent quality models without the hassle of maintaining the infra.
  - Palmik 1y ago
    The big dogs also offer on-prem if you are important enough. Here's article for Gemini: https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/ai-machine-learning/run-gemini-and-ai-on-prem-with-google-distributed-cloud https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/ai-machine-learning/r...
- qeternity 1y ago
  > There's no reason for someone to use this over Anthropic, OpenAI, etc Uh except that you can host this yourself? You just have to license the model. What is the issue?
  - moralestapia 1y ago
    >You just have to license the model. That's the issue.

deanc 1y ago

They are dropping some hints about a larger model and something relating to open models in the final paragraph: > With the launches of Mistral Small in March and Mistral Medium today, it’s no secret that we’re working on something ‘large’ over the next few weeks. With even our medium-sized model being resoundingly better than flagship open source models such as Llama 4 Maverick, we’re excited to ‘open’ up what’s to come :)