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> I'm super happy JetBrains has been opening up all their editors to offer free access for non-commercial use. All? That would be news to me! From the 10 IDEs

by rob74 1y ago

> I'm super happy JetBrains has been opening up all their editors to offer free access for non-commercial use. All? That would be news to me! From the 10 IDEs (not counting ReSharper, which iss a plugin vor Visual Studio) listed on https://www.jetbrains.com/ides/#choose-your-ide https://www.jetbrains.com/ides/#choose-your-ide, only CLion, Rider, RustRover and WebStorm are free for non-commercial use. Plus, each of the products has its own free or discounted licenses for certain users (e.g. students).

jackwilsdon 1y ago
There are community editions of IDEA and PyCharm which are free for commercial use too.
- wing-_-nuts 1y ago
  Right, but goland, and importantly the go plugin for intellij are both not free, which is a bummer
  - mdaniel 1y ago
    Since the Goland plugin and then IDE arrived, they torpedoed the prior Golang plugin but it still exists and is Apache 2 https://github.com/go-lang-plugin-org/go-lang-idea-plugin/blob/%231288/LICENCE https://github.com/go-lang-plugin-org/go-lang-idea-plugin/bl... I don't recall offhand what features it does or doesn't support, and certainly not GOMODULES et al but just FYI They did a similar "fuck you" to the Terraform plugin <https://github.com/VladRassokhin/intellij-hcl/blob/v0.6.14/LICENSE https://github.com/VladRassokhin/intellij-hcl/blob/v0.6.14/L...> when they hired the developer and then made the built-in Terraform functionality basically abandonware :fu: And then, in some extra weird behavior, they have CloudFormation still in the open <https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-plugins/tree/idea/251.25410.109/CloudFormation https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-plugins/tree/idea/251....> but mysteriously it, too, is basically abandonware. Or maybe they're expecting the community to chip in and fix the bugs <https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issues?q=subsystem:%20%7BLang.%20CloudFormation%7D%20&sort=created&order=desc https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issues?q=subsystem:%20%7BLang...>. I dunno.
NoboruWataya 1y ago
I have been using PyCharm, IDEA and Android Studio for free for a while now. I'm not a student or any special category of user. I think you only get "core" features for free but they sure still among the most featureful IDEs that I have used.
- mdaniel 1y ago
  I was curious about "for a while" and it is apparently 16 years (2009 commit with message "license.txt" https://github.com/Jetbrains/intellij-community/tree/4d9912f0a51d09019b6fe5fe85d441738f0e207e https://github.com/Jetbrains/intellij-community/tree/4d9912f... ) and the PyCharm Apache 2 release seems to be a lot harder to actually track down but https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community/commit/e0d025da15217c6dbec279f5cb3ef584b373f145 https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community/commit/e0d02... is cited as "initial extraction of python-community module (for now with a few cyclic dependencies)" in 2013
hbn 1y ago
Well, I said "has been," as in, in-the-process! I'm not sure why the staggered rollout, maybe there's strategic reasons certain ones will never have a free non-commercial license. But so far they've been consistently opening them up one-by-one.
- NoahKAndrews 1y ago
  It'll be interesting to see what they do for PyCharm and IntelliJ, which already have free Community Editions. Long term, I doubt they'll want to have two types of free version that restrict usage in completely different ways, but if they kill the Community Editions, anyone using them for commercial use will have to either build from source (hopefully the end of community editions wouldn't mean the end of the open source parts), start paying, or switch to an alternative. I'm making zero predictions about what they'll do, there's a lot of ways it could go.
lolinder 1y ago
"Has been opening" is the present perfect continuous tense [0], which describes something that started in the past and is still ongoing. In TFA JetBrains says explicitly that this is a process that they intend to continue assuming it goes well. [0] https://www.grammarly.com/blog/grammar/present-perfect-continuous-tense/ https://www.grammarly.com/blog/grammar/present-perfect-conti...

by rob74 1y ago

jackwilsdon 1y ago

There are community editions of IDEA and PyCharm which are free for commercial use too.

wing-_-nuts 1y ago
Right, but goland, and importantly the go plugin for intellij are both not free, which is a bummer
- mdaniel 1y ago
  Since the Goland plugin and then IDE arrived, they torpedoed the prior Golang plugin but it still exists and is Apache 2 https://github.com/go-lang-plugin-org/go-lang-idea-plugin/blob/%231288/LICENCE https://github.com/go-lang-plugin-org/go-lang-idea-plugin/bl... I don't recall offhand what features it does or doesn't support, and certainly not GOMODULES et al but just FYI They did a similar "fuck you" to the Terraform plugin <https://github.com/VladRassokhin/intellij-hcl/blob/v0.6.14/LICENSE https://github.com/VladRassokhin/intellij-hcl/blob/v0.6.14/L...> when they hired the developer and then made the built-in Terraform functionality basically abandonware :fu: And then, in some extra weird behavior, they have CloudFormation still in the open <https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-plugins/tree/idea/251.25410.109/CloudFormation https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-plugins/tree/idea/251....> but mysteriously it, too, is basically abandonware. Or maybe they're expecting the community to chip in and fix the bugs <https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issues?q=subsystem:%20%7BLang.%20CloudFormation%7D%20&sort=created&order=desc https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issues?q=subsystem:%20%7BLang...>. I dunno.

NoboruWataya 1y ago

I have been using PyCharm, IDEA and Android Studio for free for a while now. I'm not a student or any special category of user. I think you only get "core" features for free but they sure still among the most featureful IDEs that I have used.

mdaniel 1y ago
I was curious about "for a while" and it is apparently 16 years (2009 commit with message "license.txt" https://github.com/Jetbrains/intellij-community/tree/4d9912f0a51d09019b6fe5fe85d441738f0e207e https://github.com/Jetbrains/intellij-community/tree/4d9912f... ) and the PyCharm Apache 2 release seems to be a lot harder to actually track down but https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community/commit/e0d025da15217c6dbec279f5cb3ef584b373f145 https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community/commit/e0d02... is cited as "initial extraction of python-community module (for now with a few cyclic dependencies)" in 2013

hbn 1y ago

Well, I said "has been," as in, in-the-process! I'm not sure why the staggered rollout, maybe there's strategic reasons certain ones will never have a free non-commercial license. But so far they've been consistently opening them up one-by-one.

NoahKAndrews 1y ago
It'll be interesting to see what they do for PyCharm and IntelliJ, which already have free Community Editions. Long term, I doubt they'll want to have two types of free version that restrict usage in completely different ways, but if they kill the Community Editions, anyone using them for commercial use will have to either build from source (hopefully the end of community editions wouldn't mean the end of the open source parts), start paying, or switch to an alternative. I'm making zero predictions about what they'll do, there's a lot of ways it could go.

lolinder 1y ago

"Has been opening" is the present perfect continuous tense [0], which describes something that started in the past and is still ongoing. In TFA JetBrains says explicitly that this is a process that they intend to continue assuming it goes well. [0] https://www.grammarly.com/blog/grammar/present-perfect-continuous-tense/ https://www.grammarly.com/blog/grammar/present-perfect-conti...