> I want to see the details - not the anecdotes, not the vitriol - based on evidence that can be reviewed and which is not keyed to emotional levers being pushe

> I want to see the details - not the anecdotes, not the vitriol - based on evidence that can be reviewed and which is not keyed to emotional levers being pushed and pulled depending on which 'side' you are on. /---/ What I know so far: nobody in the civilian cadre wants these wars, only their utterly insane leaders do. It goes without saying that nobody in Ukraine wants the war, but indeed, let's examine facts and not personal anecdotes. KIIS and other surveyors have consistently found ~80% support for continuing to resist the invasion (graph 6): https://kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=1509&page=1 https://kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=1509&page=1 Likewise, saying that the Sevastopol naval base "continues to operate" is quite a stretch when we look at the facts: * The HQ of Sevastopol naval base was blown up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_strike_on_the_Black_Sea_Fleet_headquarters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_strike_on_the_Black_Se... * The flagship was sunk along with a third of the entire fleet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cruiser_Moskva https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cruiser_Moskva https://x.com/HudsonInstitute/status/1765453597829935482 https://x.com/HudsonInstitute/status/1765453597829935482 * The remaining fleet has fled to Russian ports (primarily Novorossiysk) on the eastern coast of the Black Sea to escape destruction: https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2024/06/new-sat-images-show-russian-vessels-fleeing-black-sea-ports/397378/ https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2024/06/new-sat-images... * Even there, unmanned Ukrainian naval drones continue to pose a significant danger. In the past week, in the first ever aerial combat of this kind, they shot down two fighter jets near Novorossiysk: https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/ukrainian-naval-drones-shoot-down-russian-jets-in-military-first-kyiv-says-bc0eaf08 https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/ukrainian-naval-drones-shoo... Quite a different picture from the victory parade you were trying to draw us. When reality and narrative differ this much, "people like you" labels shouldn't offend, because you indeed represent a certain distinct type.