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This is why I turned vegetarian. Fish, Chickens, Cows, Goats and other creatures are sentient.
by CommenterPerson 1y ago
This is why I turned vegetarian. Fish, Chickens, Cows, Goats and other creatures are sentient.
- deepvibrations 1y agoLogically, it may make more sense to keep eating beef/some meat and instead give up dairy. Not only is it probably healthier, but the pain inflicted in the dairy industry is arguably worse per calorie than that of milk. - Forced (artificial) insemination - Calf separation (within 24hrs of birth, causes distress to mother too) - Male calf fate (typically sold into veal or beef production, often under low-welfare conditions) - Repeated pregnancy and high milking demands (3–4 pregnancies over ~4 years and are milked 2–3 times daily) - Health problems (mastitis, lameness, metabolic disorders etc) - Physical mutilations (dehorning/disbudding, tail docking and branding are routine) - Early culling (Productive lifespan is ~5 years, yet natural lifespan ~20 years) - Confinement and barren housing - Transportation and slaughter
- dghughes 1y agoAnd what do you think will happen if today all dairy cows were released to open fields? (I know)
- theoreticalmal 1y agoI’m cursious as to what would happen, other than more expensive milk and cheese
- dghughes 1y agoThe cows would die if nobody milks them. Dairy cows are basically 100% reliant on humans now. I live in a farming community but I'm not a farmer. I see comments about mistreatment of cows as if farmers are constantly beating them. Dairy farmers are one of the busiest types of farmers since cows have to be milked twice per day usually 04:00 and 16:00h (4am and 4pm). Anyone with a business would not be damaging the product or causing it to fail from mistreatment. If a farmer mistreats cows the milk production drops. People comment have no clue about the farms and probably have never set foot on a farm or talked to a farmer.
- deepvibrations 1y agoI don't consider it, as the reduction in dairy consumption will likely happen over many years and as demand dies out, farmers simply reduce their dairy herd appropriately and repurpose the land.
- freilanzer 1y agoSo, you would rather keep mistreating them, because if we stopped mistreating them today it would mean they'd be slaughtered tomorrow? I'm quite sure what the cows would choose.
- shakna 1y agoTo drum a hollow drum, you probably meant sapient. Sentience is a lower bar, and even most trees pass it. [0] Sentience, when boiled down, "just about" means capable of responding to pain. Nothing more. Sapience comes with the less easy to define intelligence of an individual. [0] One of many, many papers in this debated topic: https://doi.org/10.1002/wcs.1578 https://doi.org/10.1002/wcs.1578