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Plain and simple, I don't want EU hosted services because the EU isn't a good proprietor. It offers less privacy or speech guarantees than alternative locations

Plain and simple, I don't want EU hosted services because the EU isn't a good proprietor. It offers less privacy or speech guarantees than alternative locations. I am an EU citicen but believe the EU is a lobby group with its proponents often idealists in the best or fanatics in the worst case. Both don't allow any criticism and cannot hold this mostly purely executive behemoth to account. It is fundamentally unbalanced construct that needs strong restrictions. And therefore it would also not be the best place to host anything.

benterix 1y ago
Good, so go host your stuff wherever you want, it's a free world. We're talking about those people/organizations that made the decision to host in the EU.
- raxxorraxor 1y ago
  Well, I do host in the EU because of proximity. But it isn't any dream wonderland hosting place compared to other countries. I have zero EU hosting patrionism. Instead, this might be in my country in particular though, it tends to promote bad lawyers to serve notices to people that forgot something in their impressum and similar tiny mistakes. Usually a clear abuse of rights but being right and getting justice are two separate things and that is true for the EU as well. In the near future it will demand age vertification for online content. It just is that paternalistic. Sure, it sucks less than the current UK, an even worse place to host. But maybe just make hosting attractive?
hyperman1 1y ago
What's your alternative? The same thing holds for the US services, except we don't have any control. We're basically begging the USA to take our money and fuck us over. Meanwhile, airbus works, GSM works, so Europe is capable of doing this if it wants to. Yes, it has been asleep at the wheel since 2000 or so, but Trump is busy kicking them back awake.
airpoint 1y ago
The EU has some of the strongest data protection laws in the world, most notably the GDPR which enforces strict rules on how personal data is collected, stored, and used, with significant penalties for violatiions. Independent watchdogs in each country enforce these rules. Freedom of expression is protected under Article 11 of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights and Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights. While the EU allows limited restrictions (like hate speech, incitement to violence, etc), so do most democratic jurisdictions, including the US and UK.
- rdm_blackhole 1y ago
  Can we stop with this illusion that the EU is some kind of personal data protection heaven? This is not true and hasn't been for a while. The EU just wants the same data as the US except it tries to hide it because it wants to project the image that your data is safe here. But it isn't. Regarding your argument about data protection: - The data retention directive passed in 2006 to give unlimited access to all your data to LEOs without a court order: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive It was overturned after 8 years even though everyone knew it was illegal from day 1. Even after its repeal, some countries have decided that they would keep the data accumulated so far and/or continue collecting it anyway. - France recently tried to ban E2E to "stop drug trafficking" and "terrorism" - The EU has been trying to pass Chat Control, a law which would force messaging apps, email providers and social media companies to scan all your personal data with a US made AI and save all your data somewhere that Europol can access. This data could then be searched at will by LEOs without a court order. This law has been on the table for the last 3/4 years and they keep bringing it up because they want to "save the children" On the freedom of speech: - Denmark recently started reintroducing blasphemy laws where it is now illegal to burn a religious book. Now that this Rubicon has been crossed, who knows what will happen next. - In many European countries it is becoming increasingly harder for journalists to do their jobs properly https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/apr/29/media-freedom-pluralism-existential-battle-eu-report-finds https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/apr/29/media-freedom-... I don't mind when people compare the EU to the US when it comes to matters related to privacy or freedom of speech, but if we are going to do that, we need to get the facts straight and not repeat ad vitam aeternam things which are not true.
constantcrying 1y ago
The EU leadership is terrible it is obviously an organization riddled with inefficiency and corruption. Nevertheless, EU member states are irrelevant on their own. The only way to achieve large scale success is by European nations cooperating on issues like these.

benterix 1y ago

Good, so go host your stuff wherever you want, it's a free world. We're talking about those people/organizations that made the decision to host in the EU.

raxxorraxor 1y ago
Well, I do host in the EU because of proximity. But it isn't any dream wonderland hosting place compared to other countries. I have zero EU hosting patrionism. Instead, this might be in my country in particular though, it tends to promote bad lawyers to serve notices to people that forgot something in their impressum and similar tiny mistakes. Usually a clear abuse of rights but being right and getting justice are two separate things and that is true for the EU as well. In the near future it will demand age vertification for online content. It just is that paternalistic. Sure, it sucks less than the current UK, an even worse place to host. But maybe just make hosting attractive?

hyperman1 1y ago

What's your alternative? The same thing holds for the US services, except we don't have any control. We're basically begging the USA to take our money and fuck us over. Meanwhile, airbus works, GSM works, so Europe is capable of doing this if it wants to. Yes, it has been asleep at the wheel since 2000 or so, but Trump is busy kicking them back awake.

airpoint 1y ago

The EU has some of the strongest data protection laws in the world, most notably the GDPR which enforces strict rules on how personal data is collected, stored, and used, with significant penalties for violatiions. Independent watchdogs in each country enforce these rules. Freedom of expression is protected under Article 11 of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights and Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights. While the EU allows limited restrictions (like hate speech, incitement to violence, etc), so do most democratic jurisdictions, including the US and UK.

rdm_blackhole 1y ago
Can we stop with this illusion that the EU is some kind of personal data protection heaven? This is not true and hasn't been for a while. The EU just wants the same data as the US except it tries to hide it because it wants to project the image that your data is safe here. But it isn't. Regarding your argument about data protection: - The data retention directive passed in 2006 to give unlimited access to all your data to LEOs without a court order: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive It was overturned after 8 years even though everyone knew it was illegal from day 1. Even after its repeal, some countries have decided that they would keep the data accumulated so far and/or continue collecting it anyway. - France recently tried to ban E2E to "stop drug trafficking" and "terrorism" - The EU has been trying to pass Chat Control, a law which would force messaging apps, email providers and social media companies to scan all your personal data with a US made AI and save all your data somewhere that Europol can access. This data could then be searched at will by LEOs without a court order. This law has been on the table for the last 3/4 years and they keep bringing it up because they want to "save the children" On the freedom of speech: - Denmark recently started reintroducing blasphemy laws where it is now illegal to burn a religious book. Now that this Rubicon has been crossed, who knows what will happen next. - In many European countries it is becoming increasingly harder for journalists to do their jobs properly https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/apr/29/media-freedom-pluralism-existential-battle-eu-report-finds https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/apr/29/media-freedom-... I don't mind when people compare the EU to the US when it comes to matters related to privacy or freedom of speech, but if we are going to do that, we need to get the facts straight and not repeat ad vitam aeternam things which are not true.

constantcrying 1y ago

The EU leadership is terrible it is obviously an organization riddled with inefficiency and corruption. Nevertheless, EU member states are irrelevant on their own. The only way to achieve large scale success is by European nations cooperating on issues like these.