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I also wonder about this, my personal conclusion is israelis work very hard to create a dirt on politicians over the years, and politicians just afraid of losin

I also wonder about this, my personal conclusion is israelis work very hard to create a dirt on politicians over the years, and politicians just afraid of losing everything in one day vs joining the club of other blackmailed, powerful politicians. cases: Epstein, Monica Lewinsky, AIPAC, and probably many more

mola 1y ago
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- pbiggar 1y ago
  How many are currently protesting the genocide? Because it seems like it's barely in the hundreds
  - animuchan 1y ago
    You'd be surprised. But you already have a strong uninformed opinion.
    - pbiggar 1y ago
      Inform me
      - Digit-Al 1y ago
        Don't think it's other people's responsibility to spend their precious free time informing you of stuff you can freely look up online yourself.
        pbiggar 1y ago
        If you're going to contradict someone making a claim ("Because it seems like it's barely in the hundreds"), then it is their responsibility to back it up. I work on this area and spend a reasonable amount of time staying up to date. I made my claim - I have seen extremely limited news reports about Israeli protests that center the genocide. Indeed, these reports are extremely new and feature silent protests with several hundred protestors holding up pictures of Israeli kids. Now I could have led with that, but it's not my responsibility to spend my precious time informing people about stuff they could look up themselves online.
    - owebmaster 1y ago
      Yes, we would really be surprised, because it seems like tens of people protesting against, hundreds of thousands supporting.
- wkat4242 1y ago
  Thanks for pushing back <3 It must be difficult to do that there.
- tuyguntn 1y ago
  > Do you also blame me for creating dirt? 1. I am not blaming you specifically, also I didn't mention race (Jews/Jewish), don't add the race card here please, I am saying Israelis because I don't have or know names of people who do it. Should I say Israeli Mossad? What if it wasn't Mossad, would you tell me that I am lying? If I say government, maybe it's not government, for example settlers, they are not affiliated with government, but government supports them. 2. As far as I remember Israeli government blamed Palestinians for electing Hamas and now carrying out mass extinction there, keep in mind Gaza was not a democracy. In contrast, as a democracy in the middle east, don't you own what your elected officials carry out? If answer is no, then why they're blaming Palestinians for everything?
  - WrongAssumption 1y ago
    So you don't know who does it, which I assumes means you don't know of any evidence, or even if it's done. But you concluded this because...
    - tuyguntn 1y ago
      I have a right to make personal conclusions based on things I see, read, learn and hear, what's your point? Whether its biased, wrong, correct - my personal opinion and conclusions are still mine, hence I prefixed it with "my personal conclusion"
    - freeone3000 1y ago
      You can definitely know that something is done without knowing who, exactly, did it. “A person formally or informally affiliated or aligned with the Israeli state”, if we have to use the State Dept lingo for terrorists.
- megous 1y ago
  Many people don't deplore your government, they deplore the whole concept of political zionism as it is practiced - violent creation of Jewish state on the land inhabited by a lot of other people, driving many of them out, and avoiding solving resulting political issues repeatedly through the use of overwhelming force, insane militarization of society, long term occupations, blockades, assassinations, political imprisonment of opponents, and international political maneuvering and propaganda, for decade after decade after decade, in order to preserve Jewish majority rule over the territory. More honest Israelis, like Meir Kahane, at least acknowledged that Jewish majority state is not compatible with democracy, when "greater Israel" is mostly occupied by non-Jews. It doesn't matter whether you or other Israelis deplore your "current government". They can deplore it for all kinds of reasons, and replacement they'd prefer may not be much better wrt the issue above.
- owebmaster 1y ago
  > I deplore my current government, and believe NSO are evil. There are plenty of Israelis that agree with me and protest weekly. There were many like that in Nazi Germany but unfortunately they were a small minority that mostly needed to run away. That might be your predicament too so the people that want a peaceful resolution to the Gaza situation can't put their hopes on the likes of you, unfortunately. As a long time traveler, I met several great israeli people, but I also saw first-hand many of them that don't give a flying F to nobody, not only muslims but working locals and even other tourists.

mola 1y ago

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pbiggar 1y ago
How many are currently protesting the genocide? Because it seems like it's barely in the hundreds
- animuchan 1y ago
  You'd be surprised. But you already have a strong uninformed opinion.
  - pbiggar 1y ago
    Inform me
    - Digit-Al 1y ago
      Don't think it's other people's responsibility to spend their precious free time informing you of stuff you can freely look up online yourself.
      - pbiggar 1y ago
        If you're going to contradict someone making a claim ("Because it seems like it's barely in the hundreds"), then it is their responsibility to back it up. I work on this area and spend a reasonable amount of time staying up to date. I made my claim - I have seen extremely limited news reports about Israeli protests that center the genocide. Indeed, these reports are extremely new and feature silent protests with several hundred protestors holding up pictures of Israeli kids. Now I could have led with that, but it's not my responsibility to spend my precious time informing people about stuff they could look up themselves online.
  - owebmaster 1y ago
    Yes, we would really be surprised, because it seems like tens of people protesting against, hundreds of thousands supporting.
wkat4242 1y ago
Thanks for pushing back <3 It must be difficult to do that there.
tuyguntn 1y ago
> Do you also blame me for creating dirt? 1. I am not blaming you specifically, also I didn't mention race (Jews/Jewish), don't add the race card here please, I am saying Israelis because I don't have or know names of people who do it. Should I say Israeli Mossad? What if it wasn't Mossad, would you tell me that I am lying? If I say government, maybe it's not government, for example settlers, they are not affiliated with government, but government supports them. 2. As far as I remember Israeli government blamed Palestinians for electing Hamas and now carrying out mass extinction there, keep in mind Gaza was not a democracy. In contrast, as a democracy in the middle east, don't you own what your elected officials carry out? If answer is no, then why they're blaming Palestinians for everything?
- WrongAssumption 1y ago
  So you don't know who does it, which I assumes means you don't know of any evidence, or even if it's done. But you concluded this because...
  - tuyguntn 1y ago
    I have a right to make personal conclusions based on things I see, read, learn and hear, what's your point? Whether its biased, wrong, correct - my personal opinion and conclusions are still mine, hence I prefixed it with "my personal conclusion"
  - freeone3000 1y ago
    You can definitely know that something is done without knowing who, exactly, did it. “A person formally or informally affiliated or aligned with the Israeli state”, if we have to use the State Dept lingo for terrorists.
megous 1y ago
Many people don't deplore your government, they deplore the whole concept of political zionism as it is practiced - violent creation of Jewish state on the land inhabited by a lot of other people, driving many of them out, and avoiding solving resulting political issues repeatedly through the use of overwhelming force, insane militarization of society, long term occupations, blockades, assassinations, political imprisonment of opponents, and international political maneuvering and propaganda, for decade after decade after decade, in order to preserve Jewish majority rule over the territory. More honest Israelis, like Meir Kahane, at least acknowledged that Jewish majority state is not compatible with democracy, when "greater Israel" is mostly occupied by non-Jews. It doesn't matter whether you or other Israelis deplore your "current government". They can deplore it for all kinds of reasons, and replacement they'd prefer may not be much better wrt the issue above.
owebmaster 1y ago
> I deplore my current government, and believe NSO are evil. There are plenty of Israelis that agree with me and protest weekly. There were many like that in Nazi Germany but unfortunately they were a small minority that mostly needed to run away. That might be your predicament too so the people that want a peaceful resolution to the Gaza situation can't put their hopes on the likes of you, unfortunately. As a long time traveler, I met several great israeli people, but I also saw first-hand many of them that don't give a flying F to nobody, not only muslims but working locals and even other tourists.