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spying software should be illegal to sell under any circumstance the people who need these programs should be writing them themselves not buying them off the sh

by jeisc 1y ago

spying software should be illegal to sell under any circumstance the people who need these programs should be writing them themselves not buying them off the shelf

bell-cot 1y ago
The same argument could be made about conventional arms. Unfortunately, 99% of nations prioritize having quick & easy access to weapons. And for many nations, selling weapons is also a lucrative way to exert influence.
- palata 1y ago
  > Unfortunately, 99% of nations prioritize having quick & easy access to weapons. What?
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    Your police and military where you live doesn't have easy access to weapons?
    - palata 1y ago
      I wouldn't call it easy, no.
      - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        How would you call it?
  - bell-cot 1y ago
    Re-read user jeisc's comment. There are 200 or so nations on our planet. How many of those nations have governments which believe that their own army, air force, & navy should be unable to buy (say) guns, bombs, and torpedoes? Vs. having to hire engineers to design them, then build weapon factories, then build all of their own weapons. My assertion is that zero-ish of those governments want such legal restrictions. (And obviously, actual legal restrictions on the sale of spyware might be similarly unpopular, with the people who actually write the our world's laws.)
    - palata 1y ago
      Oh right, I see what you mean. Still, I believe there is a difference. First, it feels like anyone willing to pay enough will convince NSO to "help" them. It's not the same with firearms (in 99% countries in the world): you can't just pay a private company to go rob a bank with firearms. Then for the police and the military, it's usually restricted to professionals. In my country, if a police officer gets their gun out (I'm not talking about firing), an investigation follows. If they fire their gun, a bigger investigation follows, they make the news, and the officer may lose their job (or be affected to a desk job for the rest of their career). It seems a lot easier to get access to NSO than to actually fire a gun, and to me that's a good thing. I don't want a police like in the US. To the point where I do believe that it should be as hard to access NSO as it is to use firearms.

by jeisc 1y ago

spying software should be illegal to sell under any circumstance the people who need these programs should be writing them themselves not buying them off the shelf

bell-cot 1y ago

The same argument could be made about conventional arms. Unfortunately, 99% of nations prioritize having quick & easy access to weapons. And for many nations, selling weapons is also a lucrative way to exert influence.

palata 1y ago
> Unfortunately, 99% of nations prioritize having quick & easy access to weapons. What?
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  Your police and military where you live doesn't have easy access to weapons?
  - palata 1y ago
    I wouldn't call it easy, no.
    - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
      How would you call it?
- bell-cot 1y ago
  Re-read user jeisc's comment. There are 200 or so nations on our planet. How many of those nations have governments which believe that their own army, air force, & navy should be unable to buy (say) guns, bombs, and torpedoes? Vs. having to hire engineers to design them, then build weapon factories, then build all of their own weapons. My assertion is that zero-ish of those governments want such legal restrictions. (And obviously, actual legal restrictions on the sale of spyware might be similarly unpopular, with the people who actually write the our world's laws.)
  - palata 1y ago
    Oh right, I see what you mean. Still, I believe there is a difference. First, it feels like anyone willing to pay enough will convince NSO to "help" them. It's not the same with firearms (in 99% countries in the world): you can't just pay a private company to go rob a bank with firearms. Then for the police and the military, it's usually restricted to professionals. In my country, if a police officer gets their gun out (I'm not talking about firing), an investigation follows. If they fire their gun, a bigger investigation follows, they make the news, and the officer may lose their job (or be affected to a desk job for the rest of their career). It seems a lot easier to get access to NSO than to actually fire a gun, and to me that's a good thing. I don't want a police like in the US. To the point where I do believe that it should be as hard to access NSO as it is to use firearms.