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Ask a random Indian in India whether he'd be willing to die for the US. The US and China have interests in the area, so maybe I shouldn't have said the word "or

Ask a random Indian in India whether he'd be willing to die for the US. The US and China have interests in the area, so maybe I shouldn't have said the word "orthogonal". But the original commenter said a conflict between India and Pakistan would be a "US-China proxy war". Come on. India and Pakistan have enough reasons to hate each other. They don't need America or China's goading. And neither India nor Pakistan would accept their conflict being characterized as a US-China war.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Ask a random Indian in India whether he'd be willing to die for the US Not how proxy wars work. > India and Pakistan have enough reasons to hate each other. They don't need America or China's goading Not how proxy wars work. The backers enable. The proxies fight. > neither India nor Pakistan would accept their conflict being characterized as a US-China war This is how proxy wars work. They literally don’t if the proxies realise they’re fighting a foreign war on their homeland.
- sandspar 1y ago
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  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    I'm really not claiming anything that requires more than a cursory review of the history of proxy wars. Or, like, talking to someone who lives in a country we've recently proxy warred. The people fighting in the wars we proxied were fighting for a domestic cause. Outside powers then glommed onto that dispute. Nobody thought they were dying for the superpowers' ends; they were fighting a local civil war or rebellion or reconquest.
    - sandspar 1y ago
      Ok man sounds like you've got the cultural and historical situation under control.
- random42 1y ago
  It’s not a proxy war. Not every world event is about the US. Source: I am an Indian.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > It’s not a proxy war. Not every world event is about the US Nobody said as much. The original comment described how this can escalate.
- air3y 1y ago
  >This is how proxy wars work. They literally don’t if the proxies realise they’re fighting a foreign war on their homeland. India and pakistan have contested boundaries and their hostilities doesn't depend on foreign powers. Interestingly, when the hostilities between china and india flared up in 2021, and india moved many divisions from its pakistan border to its chinese border, pakistan didn't change its posturing to put pressure on india. This was acknowledged by indian army during a press briefing. Both so far have never fought against each other for foreign powers, but have fought against each other for their own reasons. So no proxy wars so far.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > India and pakistan have contested boundaries and their hostilities doesn't depend on foreign powers Yes? That’s what lends it proxy war potential. An endemic war. Like, there were actual conflicts in e.g. Vietnam and Afghanistan before they became proxy wars. Those same risk factors are present today.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> Ask a random Indian in India whether he'd be willing to die for the US Not how proxy wars work. > India and Pakistan have enough reasons to hate each other. They don't need America or China's goading Not how proxy wars work. The backers enable. The proxies fight. > neither India nor Pakistan would accept their conflict being characterized as a US-China war This is how proxy wars work. They literally don’t if the proxies realise they’re fighting a foreign war on their homeland.

sandspar 1y ago
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- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  I'm really not claiming anything that requires more than a cursory review of the history of proxy wars. Or, like, talking to someone who lives in a country we've recently proxy warred. The people fighting in the wars we proxied were fighting for a domestic cause. Outside powers then glommed onto that dispute. Nobody thought they were dying for the superpowers' ends; they were fighting a local civil war or rebellion or reconquest.
  - sandspar 1y ago
    Ok man sounds like you've got the cultural and historical situation under control.
random42 1y ago
It’s not a proxy war. Not every world event is about the US. Source: I am an Indian.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > It’s not a proxy war. Not every world event is about the US Nobody said as much. The original comment described how this can escalate.
air3y 1y ago
>This is how proxy wars work. They literally don’t if the proxies realise they’re fighting a foreign war on their homeland. India and pakistan have contested boundaries and their hostilities doesn't depend on foreign powers. Interestingly, when the hostilities between china and india flared up in 2021, and india moved many divisions from its pakistan border to its chinese border, pakistan didn't change its posturing to put pressure on india. This was acknowledged by indian army during a press briefing. Both so far have never fought against each other for foreign powers, but have fought against each other for their own reasons. So no proxy wars so far.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > India and pakistan have contested boundaries and their hostilities doesn't depend on foreign powers Yes? That’s what lends it proxy war potential. An endemic war. Like, there were actual conflicts in e.g. Vietnam and Afghanistan before they became proxy wars. Those same risk factors are present today.