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No, I'm already paying for a delivery service fee. A tip is an extra thank you. If restaurants charge me a mandatory fee ("tip") on top of my food price, there'

• tptacek 1y ago
  I mean, you can choose to pay or not pay for the service. I'm not saying you should go out of your way to patronize businesses that charge you more for your burrito taxi than you think it's worth. But if your burritos arrive cold because you are the lowest bidder for the service, I think you've lost some of the moral high ground to complain.
  • xingped 1y ago
    If food delivery services were presented to end users as some sort of bidding model, sure, but it's not. It's presented as simply as "you order food, food gets delivered to you". There's no ability to see how my order might be affected by how much I pay. For the record, I never use food delivery services because the upcharge is absurd. If I want food delivery it'll be pizza and that's it. At least that's an honest transaction and I don't have to wonder when my food will arrive or how cold it might be.
  • elliotto 1y ago
    I have a high moral high ground because I don't use these services at all due to poor treatment of employees. It's difficult to conflate the moral high ground with maximal participation in a weird auction format when people are just trying to buy a burrito. In most other countries (like mine Australia) the price of the good is the advertised price. There is no extra weird moral based financial game played on top.
    • tptacek 1y ago
      I mean, OK, but they're treated badly because they're not paid enough, which makes tipping a strange complaint! You could use the service, if you wanted. Just pay what it really costs.
      • koolba 1y ago
        > You could use the service, if you wanted. Just pay what it really costs. Then they should have whatever that is be the actual displayed cost. As it stands now, there’s an often delivery fee which apparently does not guarantee and reasonable delivery time. How does that make any sense?
        • kelnos 1y ago
          Oh certainly, it doesn't make sense at all. We should be presented the cost of the service, including a reasonable wage for the driver. But it's a little odd to turn this into a moral issue when the app actually does give you the means to pay the driver what you believe is actually fair, above the base amount being charged. So what this really tells me is that you just think the true cost is more than you want to pay. Which is totally fine.
        • const_cast 1y ago
          It doesn't make any sense and it's purely exploitative. However, you should still tip, because not tipping isn't a protest. You're not hurting doordash by not tipping, you're just hurting the driver and yourself. The driver who, as we've all rightfully pointed out, is already exploited.
          • rounce 1y ago
            Yes so your solution is to buy into that exploitative model? It’s not a tip. A tip is an additional sign of appreciation for the quality of service. When this becomes a compulsory addition (as it seems to be in US culture) it’s simply a hidden tax, paying it in advance of receiving said service is even more ridiculous. In this case - as we seem to have established - it’s a model that hurts both worker and consumer, allowing exploitative employers to externalise costs by presenting a false moral dilemma.
            • ghaff 1y ago
              It's not purely US. In the UK, an "optional" (though not really) ~10% service fee is often added for sit-down service though not if you just pay at the bar. So more like Anglosphere than just US--though US is both higher and more pervasive. I forget what it was the other day but I was asked about a tip for some totally routine retail transaction.
  • raverbashing 1y ago
    Yes I paid for a service, I expect to receive said service Honestly only Americans could come up with this BS justification about "lowest bidder" for a service I'm fully paying for
  • rendaw 1y ago
    I don't think GGGP was complaining about the price. I think they were complaining about it being a non-disclosed fee (like tax) while also not being a clearly defined amount (pseudo-tax) and with aggressively bad consequences if someone doesn't go along with the mind game (deliverer eats the food, wastes an hour of your time while you're hungry, need to follow up with support, etc) rather than just an up-front rejection. Obviously nobody wants to order food on ebay, and if you're going to argue that an auction is the only possible outcome why wouldn't that apply to the restaurant itself too? The restaurant could aggressively underpay/understaff chefs, then you go to pick up the order and restaurant says "Oh someone else offered to buy food at a higher price, but feel free to order again and offer more, and sit here for 30m while we prepare it!"
  • pjerem 1y ago
    I’m not from the US so I’m barely concerned with tipping but it seems to me that even in the US, the amount you tip is dependent of the QoS you got. So I really don’t see the point of tipping beforehand. You can tip the driver when he delivers the meal if that’s what you want. Anything before the service have been delivered sounds like a fee and, if I understand other comments here, a mean to pay for your position in the queue which imho sounds pretty disgusting.
    • Steve16384 1y ago
      And even then, you won't know how good or cold it is until you've unwrapped it and started eating it.