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I'm assuming that "short-term rental" means your standard "night or two" hotel rooms (not just extended say). It sounds like it, from the report. I remember s

I'm assuming that "short-term rental" means your standard "night or two" hotel rooms (not just extended say). It sounds like it, from the report. I remember staying in hotels in Japan, and they would say 1,600 Yen per night, and ... I get the bill for two nights, and it's 3,200 Yen. Not so, US hotels.

mathgeek 2y ago
Short term rentals have different legal definitions depending on the locality, but generally they are defined.
kelnos 2y ago
"Short-term rental" is usually something you'd find on Airbnb or VRBO, not a hotel like a Marriott or Hyatt property, which are classified as "hotels".
- ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
  They mention "hotels," in the report, but don't get specific as to services offered.
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Retric 2y ago
Yea, hotels are covered. Examples of covered short-term lodging include: Temporary sleeping accommodations at a hotel, motel, inn, short-term rental, vacation rental, or other place of lodging; Home shares and vacation rentals offered through platforms (like Airbnb or VRBO); Discounted extended stays at a hotel. Examples of lodging that are not covered include: Long-term or other rental housing that involves an ongoing landlord-tenant relationship; Short-term extensions to leases offered by rental housing providers; Temporary corporate housing offered by an apartment community under the same conditions as long-term leases.
ronbenton 2y ago
Airbnb is really bad about this. Advertising lodging for $100 and then suddenly when you go to book there's an additional $100/night of fees.
- xnx 2y ago
  Hotels can be even worse. They will add a "resort fee" when you show up. You can refuse to pay, and then have nowhere to stay.
  - Spooky23 2y ago
    Hotels don’t charge a cleaning fee, then fine you for not ckeaning.
    - noname120 2y ago
      Omg is that really a thing? I've never witnessed it
      - ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
        It's probably not industry-wide, but I could see some places doing that. They really let lodging providers get away with murder.
      - Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
        Airbnb hosts are notorious for it.
  - kulahan 2y ago
    I was on a business trip once and remember seeing something in the fine print of the rental agreement that they wouldn’t auto-charge me for my (unused) safe if I requested it at the front desk. It was like $5, and I only bothered because it wasn’t my money. Bet most people never even see that though
Jach 2y ago
I was thinking about Japan too. In situations like store prices, Japan is pretty transparent, having the total price including taxes displayed up front. But for various live shows/concerts there's typically a mandatory "drink fee" of 500 or 600 yen, cash only, that you pay separate to your ticket. (The ticket can usually though not always be paid with a card on a site, sometimes with a benefit of a small discount for purchasing at least a day early, minus a CC processing fee.) The drink fee is usually listed in the advertising for the event, though, so it's not as hidden as some of the hidden fees this new rule is trying to address, but it's still always felt odd and the cash-only aspect gives a sense of maybe being tax-dodging related. I haven't stayed at a 1600 yen capsule hotel before, but my favorite one-step-above (small private rooms, shared bathrooms on each floor) hostel-lite, which is usually two to three times that amount (when they have availability, I think too many other people discovered it), started charging like a 100 yen towel exchange fee if you wanted a fresh towel during your stay. Then at bigger hotels you start getting into extra taxes (a few hundred yen per night) when your rate exceeds 10,000 yen. Especially when your rate fluctuates over a stay, it's just a weird small amount of extra hassle you have to pay when you check in separately from the online system, though the systems do usually mention somewhere that there might be additional tax related fees when you arrive. Still, it all feels pretty smooth vs. US hotels where if they include for example any snacks in the room or drinks in the fridge you don't even want to touch them for fear of a surprise $20+ charge later. (A work friend did successfully win against a hotel that tried to charge him drink fees; their "smart" fridge detected he removed some drinks from the fridge to make room for his stuff, it did not detect that he put them back, and these weren't the kind of drinks that would spoil if left out.)
- ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
  The 1,600¥ was an example, but we regularly stayed at the Shinagawa Prince, which was generally 1,900¥ per night, but that may no longer be the case. Also, since I worked for a Japanese company, we may have gotten discounts.

mathgeek 2y ago

Short term rentals have different legal definitions depending on the locality, but generally they are defined.

kelnos 2y ago

"Short-term rental" is usually something you'd find on Airbnb or VRBO, not a hotel like a Marriott or Hyatt property, which are classified as "hotels".

ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
They mention "hotels," in the report, but don't get specific as to services offered.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]

Retric 2y ago

Yea, hotels are covered. Examples of covered short-term lodging include: Temporary sleeping accommodations at a hotel, motel, inn, short-term rental, vacation rental, or other place of lodging; Home shares and vacation rentals offered through platforms (like Airbnb or VRBO); Discounted extended stays at a hotel. Examples of lodging that are not covered include: Long-term or other rental housing that involves an ongoing landlord-tenant relationship; Short-term extensions to leases offered by rental housing providers; Temporary corporate housing offered by an apartment community under the same conditions as long-term leases.

ronbenton 2y ago

Airbnb is really bad about this. Advertising lodging for $100 and then suddenly when you go to book there's an additional $100/night of fees.

xnx 2y ago
Hotels can be even worse. They will add a "resort fee" when you show up. You can refuse to pay, and then have nowhere to stay.
- Spooky23 2y ago
  Hotels don’t charge a cleaning fee, then fine you for not ckeaning.
  - noname120 2y ago
    Omg is that really a thing? I've never witnessed it
    - ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
      It's probably not industry-wide, but I could see some places doing that. They really let lodging providers get away with murder.
    - Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
      Airbnb hosts are notorious for it.
- kulahan 2y ago
  I was on a business trip once and remember seeing something in the fine print of the rental agreement that they wouldn’t auto-charge me for my (unused) safe if I requested it at the front desk. It was like $5, and I only bothered because it wasn’t my money. Bet most people never even see that though

Jach 2y ago

I was thinking about Japan too. In situations like store prices, Japan is pretty transparent, having the total price including taxes displayed up front. But for various live shows/concerts there's typically a mandatory "drink fee" of 500 or 600 yen, cash only, that you pay separate to your ticket. (The ticket can usually though not always be paid with a card on a site, sometimes with a benefit of a small discount for purchasing at least a day early, minus a CC processing fee.) The drink fee is usually listed in the advertising for the event, though, so it's not as hidden as some of the hidden fees this new rule is trying to address, but it's still always felt odd and the cash-only aspect gives a sense of maybe being tax-dodging related. I haven't stayed at a 1600 yen capsule hotel before, but my favorite one-step-above (small private rooms, shared bathrooms on each floor) hostel-lite, which is usually two to three times that amount (when they have availability, I think too many other people discovered it), started charging like a 100 yen towel exchange fee if you wanted a fresh towel during your stay. Then at bigger hotels you start getting into extra taxes (a few hundred yen per night) when your rate exceeds 10,000 yen. Especially when your rate fluctuates over a stay, it's just a weird small amount of extra hassle you have to pay when you check in separately from the online system, though the systems do usually mention somewhere that there might be additional tax related fees when you arrive. Still, it all feels pretty smooth vs. US hotels where if they include for example any snacks in the room or drinks in the fridge you don't even want to touch them for fear of a surprise $20+ charge later. (A work friend did successfully win against a hotel that tried to charge him drink fees; their "smart" fridge detected he removed some drinks from the fridge to make room for his stuff, it did not detect that he put them back, and these weren't the kind of drinks that would spoil if left out.)

ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
The 1,600¥ was an example, but we regularly stayed at the Shinagawa Prince, which was generally 1,900¥ per night, but that may no longer be the case. Also, since I worked for a Japanese company, we may have gotten discounts.