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They might, but they'll have lost the "it's for consumer's good" battle through and through. 4 years ago some people were still swallowing the security or priv
by makeitdouble 1y ago
They might, but they'll have lost the "it's for consumer's good" battle through and through.
4 years ago some people were still swallowing the security or privacy argument, and users didn't understand what they were missing. This time any of these facades will be broken to death.
- redczar 1y agoI buy the security and privacy argument. I don’t want to deal with anyone other than Apple for refunds, cancellations, etc. I don’t trust anyone else to make these things easy.
- gjsman-1000 1y agoThen you can happily tell Apple to fix it. Apple already has a system for this called Apple Pay, and it’s royalty free on top of regular credit card networks. If it’s about security and privacy only, demand the ability to check out in an app using Apple’s own payment platform. Watch Apple squirm. As for the subscription convenience, I know how to make this even better. Let’s give Visa and Stripe a monopoly on all transactions, and then have them build a unified subscription portal. Awesomeness!
- redczar 1y agoI don’t understand your points. If I buy things through the App store on iOS I know if there is a problem I can get relief very easily. I can easily cancel subscriptions without having to jump through a bunch of hoops. I prefer to keep things this way. You apparently don’t. As such we disagree.
- tchalla 1y agoI feel you to a large disagree. That said Apple’s IAP has multiple issues https://bsky.app/profile/gergely.pragmaticengineer.com/post/3lobb4uocyk2g https://bsky.app/profile/gergely.pragmaticengineer.com/post/...
- redczar 1y agoI don’t know anything about the issue from a developer perspective. I just know that as a consumer I like how Apple handles things.
- burnerthrow008 1y agoReally? Most of those sound like positives to me (the consumer) I am not shedding any tears over developers not being able to nag me about why I’m cancelling, for example. Same goes for all the shenanigans mentioned about variable pricing for different users. I think a lot of devs are out of touch with what customers want: transparent pricing, easy cancellation, not worrying about the store running off with my credit card. How the costs are split up between Apple and the devs is jury not something anyone cares about.
- madeofpalk 1y agoIt would be great if the market could figure out this.
- bigyabai 1y agoThey have, on the Mac.
- redczar 1y agoThe market figures it wrong in lots of instances. Like cancelling cable subscriptions or gym membership. The market, in your parlance, did decide this by Apple being the most profitable phone maker. People could buy other phones and didn’t. I guess that version of the market figuring it out you don’t like.
- bigyabai 1y ago> The market, in your parlance, did decide this by Apple being the most profitable phone maker. I don't recall that defense saving Microsoft back in the day.
- redczar 1y agoMy point is, saying “let the market decide” is a stupid response. One can always pick a starting point and say, “but the market did decide”.
- paxys 1y agoNo one is forcing you to move away from IAP and subscriptions. Just ignore the link that takes you to the web. And be ready to pay a 30% premium for your convenience, because that is what Apple has priced it at.
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- bigiain 1y agoBut you already didn't have the security of Apple's payment processing when you were buying Kindle books. (Admittedly, I'm now waiting for the stories of users being surprised when they paid their FartTorchPRO app subscription via paypal.ru and finding their credit card details all over the darkweb.)
- makeitdouble 1y agoThat Apple ecosystem only isolation is something you had to wish for in the first place, so for you, technically nothing changes. For instance up until now you probably refused to register to Netflix or any other system that manages payments and subscription outside of Apple, and you can keep doing so. Same way you probably didn't register PayPal integration that would have shifted part of the cancellation/refunds to PayPal. You of course didn't integrate PayPay either. Basically you can keep being Apple only, as you always did. From the discovery documents, Apple didn't seem to give a damn about these and only discussed revenue regarding their policies, but you're free to see what you want in Apple's behavior.
- redczar 1y agoYes. I don’t think Apple is a saint. I think it understands that forcing consumer friendly practices for its customers makes sense especially if they get paid to do so.
- adityamwagh 1y agoMaking people pay more on Apple devices for the same service is customer friendly?
- redczar 1y agoApparently I believe so since it provides me with an experience I’m willing to pay a premium for.
- vlovich123 1y agoHave you tried cancelling your audible subscription? Compare that with the experience cancelling a subscription with Apple and you quickly realize the experience is more consumer friendly. You look at it from a price perspective while others look at it from a value perspective.
- denkmoon 1y agoI go to Settings, I go to my Apple account, I go to subscriptions, and I press 1 button to cancel the subscription and 1 button to confirm that's what I want to do and the end date. Unless I know I want the subscription effectively forever, I subscribe through apple so I can do this.
- thaumasiotes 1y ago> I don’t want to deal with anyone other than Apple for refunds, cancellations, etc. I don’t trust anyone else to make these things easy. Amazon has an incredibly generous return policy. This is a strange argument to make for the Kindle app.
- redczar 1y agoTry cancelling Prime. Then try buying something from Amazon without them trying to trick you into a Prime membership. Amazon sucks. Also its return policies over the years have gotten quite obtuse for physical goods in my experience.
- thaumasiotes 1y agoI have canceled Prime. It was a straightforward process. Orders go the way they usually do. There is a call to get Prime, but it's not like it's occupying a place where something else would normally be if you had Prime.
- redczar 1y agoYou can’t in good faith try to convince anyone that cancelling Prime is as easy as canceling a subscription on iOS. After cancelling prime whenever you order something dark patterns are used to try to get you to sign up. One such patten is that orders default to charging for shipping with a message stating that if you sign up for Prime shipping is free. This is even if your order qualifies for free shipping. Another is that when you checkout you get taken to a page that offers you Prime at a reduced rate for a week or two. You have to decline before checking out. You are not engaged in a good faith discussion. Peddle this nonsense to someone else.
- niij 1y agoThey didn't say it was easier. But I would say my experience _cancelling_ isn't worth a 30% price increase for all my services.
- 8note 1y agobut what if i dont want to give apple that control? i could buy different hardware, but apple is abusing their monopolist markets on order to buyout the good chips and prevent other hardware manufacturers from having access to equivalent tech. if theyre gonna buy up all of a TSMC process, i should be able to run android on an iPhone
- docdeek 1y agoIs there a benefit to running Android on an iPhone that would make it preferable to running it on an Android phone you buy at the same price point? Not suggesting you shouldn’t have the right to do it if you want to do it, but what would be the advantage?
- gloxkiqcza 1y ago> if theyre gonna buy up all of a TSMC process Presumably a high end SoC.
- saurik 1y agoIs that really worth paying ~25% more for everything, though?