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Apple will change the rules back in seconds if the court decision is stayed. Literally billions are at stake here.
by wmf 2y ago
Apple will change the rules back in seconds if the court decision is stayed. Literally billions are at stake here.
- makeitdouble 2y agoThey might, but they'll have lost the "it's for consumer's good" battle through and through. 4 years ago some people were still swallowing the security or privacy argument, and users didn't understand what they were missing. This time any of these facades will be broken to death.
- redczar 2y agoI buy the security and privacy argument. I don’t want to deal with anyone other than Apple for refunds, cancellations, etc. I don’t trust anyone else to make these things easy.
- gjsman-1000 2y agoThen you can happily tell Apple to fix it. Apple already has a system for this called Apple Pay, and it’s royalty free on top of regular credit card networks. If it’s about security and privacy only, demand the ability to check out in an app using Apple’s own payment platform. Watch Apple squirm. As for the subscription convenience, I know how to make this even better. Let’s give Visa and Stripe a monopoly on all transactions, and then have them build a unified subscription portal. Awesomeness!
- redczar 2y agoI don’t understand your points. If I buy things through the App store on iOS I know if there is a problem I can get relief very easily. I can easily cancel subscriptions without having to jump through a bunch of hoops. I prefer to keep things this way. You apparently don’t. As such we disagree.
- tchalla 2y agoI feel you to a large disagree. That said Apple’s IAP has multiple issues https://bsky.app/profile/gergely.pragmaticengineer.com/post/3lobb4uocyk2g https://bsky.app/profile/gergely.pragmaticengineer.com/post/...
- redczar 2y agoI don’t know anything about the issue from a developer perspective. I just know that as a consumer I like how Apple handles things.
- burnerthrow008 2y agoReally? Most of those sound like positives to me (the consumer) I am not shedding any tears over developers not being able to nag me about why I’m cancelling, for example. Same goes for all the shenanigans mentioned about variable pricing for different users. I think a lot of devs are out of touch with what customers want: transparent pricing, easy cancellation, not worrying about the store running off with my credit card. How the costs are split up between Apple and the devs is jury not something anyone cares about.
- madeofpalk 2y agoIt would be great if the market could figure out this.
- bigyabai 2y agoThey have, on the Mac.
- redczar 2y agoThe market figures it wrong in lots of instances. Like cancelling cable subscriptions or gym membership. The market, in your parlance, did decide this by Apple being the most profitable phone maker. People could buy other phones and didn’t. I guess that version of the market figuring it out you don’t like.
- bigyabai 2y ago> The market, in your parlance, did decide this by Apple being the most profitable phone maker. I don't recall that defense saving Microsoft back in the day.
- redczar 2y agoMy point is, saying “let the market decide” is a stupid response. One can always pick a starting point and say, “but the market did decide”.
- paxys 2y agoNo one is forcing you to move away from IAP and subscriptions. Just ignore the link that takes you to the web. And be ready to pay a 30% premium for your convenience, because that is what Apple has priced it at.
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- bigiain 2y agoBut you already didn't have the security of Apple's payment processing when you were buying Kindle books. (Admittedly, I'm now waiting for the stories of users being surprised when they paid their FartTorchPRO app subscription via paypal.ru and finding their credit card details all over the darkweb.)
- makeitdouble 2y agoThat Apple ecosystem only isolation is something you had to wish for in the first place, so for you, technically nothing changes. For instance up until now you probably refused to register to Netflix or any other system that manages payments and subscription outside of Apple, and you can keep doing so. Same way you probably didn't register PayPal integration that would have shifted part of the cancellation/refunds to PayPal. You of course didn't integrate PayPay either. Basically you can keep being Apple only, as you always did. From the discovery documents, Apple didn't seem to give a damn about these and only discussed revenue regarding their policies, but you're free to see what you want in Apple's behavior.
- redczar 2y agoYes. I don’t think Apple is a saint. I think it understands that forcing consumer friendly practices for its customers makes sense especially if they get paid to do so.
- adityamwagh 2y agoMaking people pay more on Apple devices for the same service is customer friendly?
- redczar 2y agoApparently I believe so since it provides me with an experience I’m willing to pay a premium for.
- vlovich123 2y agoHave you tried cancelling your audible subscription? Compare that with the experience cancelling a subscription with Apple and you quickly realize the experience is more consumer friendly. You look at it from a price perspective while others look at it from a value perspective.
- denkmoon 2y agoI go to Settings, I go to my Apple account, I go to subscriptions, and I press 1 button to cancel the subscription and 1 button to confirm that's what I want to do and the end date. Unless I know I want the subscription effectively forever, I subscribe through apple so I can do this.
- thaumasiotes 2y ago> I don’t want to deal with anyone other than Apple for refunds, cancellations, etc. I don’t trust anyone else to make these things easy. Amazon has an incredibly generous return policy. This is a strange argument to make for the Kindle app.
- redczar 2y agoTry cancelling Prime. Then try buying something from Amazon without them trying to trick you into a Prime membership. Amazon sucks. Also its return policies over the years have gotten quite obtuse for physical goods in my experience.
- thaumasiotes 2y agoI have canceled Prime. It was a straightforward process. Orders go the way they usually do. There is a call to get Prime, but it's not like it's occupying a place where something else would normally be if you had Prime.
- redczar 2y agoYou can’t in good faith try to convince anyone that cancelling Prime is as easy as canceling a subscription on iOS. After cancelling prime whenever you order something dark patterns are used to try to get you to sign up. One such patten is that orders default to charging for shipping with a message stating that if you sign up for Prime shipping is free. This is even if your order qualifies for free shipping. Another is that when you checkout you get taken to a page that offers you Prime at a reduced rate for a week or two. You have to decline before checking out. You are not engaged in a good faith discussion. Peddle this nonsense to someone else.
- niij 2y agoThey didn't say it was easier. But I would say my experience _cancelling_ isn't worth a 30% price increase for all my services.
- 8note 2y agobut what if i dont want to give apple that control? i could buy different hardware, but apple is abusing their monopolist markets on order to buyout the good chips and prevent other hardware manufacturers from having access to equivalent tech. if theyre gonna buy up all of a TSMC process, i should be able to run android on an iPhone
- docdeek 2y agoIs there a benefit to running Android on an iPhone that would make it preferable to running it on an Android phone you buy at the same price point? Not suggesting you shouldn’t have the right to do it if you want to do it, but what would be the advantage?
- gloxkiqcza 2y ago> if theyre gonna buy up all of a TSMC process Presumably a high end SoC.
- saurik 2y agoIs that really worth paying ~25% more for everything, though?
- paxys 2y agoSure, but customers aren't going to be defending their decision after that like they always do.
- chaosbolt 2y agoApple is a status brand, customers will still defend their decisions even if they found out that Tim Cook is a real life Sith lord or something of that magnitude.
- paxys 2y agoNo brand lasts forever. Even on HN, a couple years ago every comment even vaguely anti-Apple tax would be immediately downvoted. When the Epic lawsuit was first filed Tim Sweeney was public enemy #1 over here. Now people are warming up to the idea that Apple might be harming consumers and developers with their app store rules.
- mrkpdl 2y agoThis is a misconception. For most Apple users it isn’t about status, it’s just the brand they use because they like the products and the way they work together. That doesn’t mean they don’t wish they were better in many ways (including this one).
- 9283409232 2y agoIt can be both. Like the whole green bubble vs blue bubble thing in iMessage. More people than you might think look at Apple as the status brand but that doesn't mean they don't also enjoy how well everything works together.
- brewdad 2y agoAn iPhone isn't a status symbol anymore, if it ever was. I see 12 year olds with them because they still work long after the phone's previous owner grabbed the shiny new one. Maybe having the newest model the week it comes out confers some status amongst those who can tell the difference. Everyone else just slaps a case on it and no one knows what generation you have.
- thaumasiotes 2y agoThere was a period where the Android Kindle app stopped allowing you to make purchases. (You'd have to visit Amazon instead.) But they've resumed. I'm curious about what happened.
- wmf 2y agoGoogle and Amazon had some kind of cold war about them both wanting to control the living room or something. A few years ago they both decided to play nice.
- amanaplanacanal 2y agoStrangely I still can't buy kindle books from the Amazon app on Android, it still says I have to visit the Website.
- wmf 2y agoI assume Google copied Apple's policy about taking a cut of every IAP.
- thaumasiotes 2y agoI can definitely buy kindle books through the Android Kindle app. My best guesses are: - you haven't updated the app in a long time - you're somewhere outside the United States Is either of those true?