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Barring outside factors (hacking, breach of trust, etc) the price of bitcoin is naturally bullish given the current ways to trade them. Since there is no large

Barring outside factors (hacking, breach of trust, etc) the price of bitcoin is naturally bullish given the current ways to trade them. Since there is no large scale operation providing a way to short bitcoins, there is no one "investing" in their price decline. This simply means that anyone buying in using USD now needs to cash out at a higher price to make a profit (on most exchanges) and anyone who has coins would not want to make the market tank since that just devalues what they have. I realize the above is a simplification and there are many other factors (and there could be malicious participants), but overall this will continue to push the price up.

tocomment 14y ago
Would it be hard to start a service to let people short bitcoins? You'd basically just be "lending out" the bit coins to people and making interest. Would there be a lot of regulations to deal with, or no?
- ewillbefull 14y ago
  Services have existed with margin/option trading, but some of them have shut down because they were hacked. New ones that come out every day are too insecure to be trusted. In fact, just today a margin trading website was exposed as having tons of SQL injections and storing user passwords with unsalted MD5 hashes. Until somebody can step up to the plate stability will be an issue. Which reminds me, I have a rather nice domain name and experience with bitcoins and security, if only I had the financial/regulatory know-how...
  - shtylman 14y ago
    Stop worrying about the financial and regulatory know how and just try out your idea. You might find it goes nowhere and you will have wasted your time thinking about "regulations". No one is going to shut down your website making 10$ a month and if you do start to grow then you will be able to pay the right people to deal with the right problems.
    - biaxident 14y ago
      With all the recent hacking of Bitcoin services, maybe it's this kind of thinking which is causing more problems.
      - shtylman 14y ago
        I don't think regulation helped any of the banks with high profile credit card hacks recently. Don't confuse regulation with security. Regulation is not necessarily in place to provide security for the end user, only barriers to entry. Once you do start to grow obviously the correct precautions should be taken.
    - illuminate 14y ago
      "Stop worrying about the financial and regulatory know how and just try out your idea." Internet Libertopia!
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- shtylman 14y ago
  I have started to think about it. You just have to consider things like what happens when the lenders want their coins back and users have valid short orders out. Think about the incentive here. The lender is giving his coins to people who he knows are betting the price will drop. This means that when the price does start to drop the lender could want to sell the coins to prevent further loss. However, the other user (the one who got the lent coins) may not be ready to return then. There was a service that allowed shorting (Bitcoinica). But all that seemed to come to a very abrupt and painful end. While it was running it did serve a valuable purpose.

tocomment 14y ago

Would it be hard to start a service to let people short bitcoins? You'd basically just be "lending out" the bit coins to people and making interest. Would there be a lot of regulations to deal with, or no?

ewillbefull 14y ago
Services have existed with margin/option trading, but some of them have shut down because they were hacked. New ones that come out every day are too insecure to be trusted. In fact, just today a margin trading website was exposed as having tons of SQL injections and storing user passwords with unsalted MD5 hashes. Until somebody can step up to the plate stability will be an issue. Which reminds me, I have a rather nice domain name and experience with bitcoins and security, if only I had the financial/regulatory know-how...
- shtylman 14y ago
  Stop worrying about the financial and regulatory know how and just try out your idea. You might find it goes nowhere and you will have wasted your time thinking about "regulations". No one is going to shut down your website making 10$ a month and if you do start to grow then you will be able to pay the right people to deal with the right problems.
  - biaxident 14y ago
    With all the recent hacking of Bitcoin services, maybe it's this kind of thinking which is causing more problems.
    - shtylman 14y ago
      I don't think regulation helped any of the banks with high profile credit card hacks recently. Don't confuse regulation with security. Regulation is not necessarily in place to provide security for the end user, only barriers to entry. Once you do start to grow obviously the correct precautions should be taken.
  - illuminate 14y ago
    "Stop worrying about the financial and regulatory know how and just try out your idea." Internet Libertopia!
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shtylman 14y ago
I have started to think about it. You just have to consider things like what happens when the lenders want their coins back and users have valid short orders out. Think about the incentive here. The lender is giving his coins to people who he knows are betting the price will drop. This means that when the price does start to drop the lender could want to sell the coins to prevent further loss. However, the other user (the one who got the lent coins) may not be ready to return then. There was a service that allowed shorting (Bitcoinica). But all that seemed to come to a very abrupt and painful end. While it was running it did serve a valuable purpose.