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If this significantly cannibalizes Apple’s App Store revenue I would actually expect that they come up with a different way to monetize (maybe based on installs

If this significantly cannibalizes Apple’s App Store revenue I would actually expect that they come up with a different way to monetize (maybe based on installs or number of users). They could also implement that independent of the injunction, which applies to steering rules.

tmpz22 1y ago
If Apple penalized apps for having many users that would be cataclysmic to their platform, though I image they'd work out sweetheart deals with Facebook etc.
- sixothree 1y ago
  One way or the other this is a seismic event for Apple. They did this to themselves though.
- tantalor 1y ago
  It could be like a platform subscription fee, but the app developer pays instead of the user. The justification would be something like, "a more equitable and transparent system that aligns costs with platform usage and developer access to the user base, while also potentially fostering a more diverse and competitive app ecosystem" (generated)
  - HenryBemis 1y ago
    I left Apple years ago, right on the battery-gate scandal. Since I'm in Android since, I imagine that if Google Play Store would introduce a fee to "a more equitable..." I would do all my 'shopping' to Aurora, APKPure, and others.
geoffpado 1y ago
> They could also implement that independent of the injunction, which applies to steering rules. They actually can't, not with the latest ruling that unlocked this Kindle change. Apple annoyed the judge enough with their shenanigans that she shut this down, too. The ruling reads (emphasis mine): "Effective immediately Apple will no longer impede developers’ ability to communicate with users *nor will they levy or impose a new commission on off-app purchases*."
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- what 1y ago
  They can just charge you per install or update over some threshold. Which wouldn’t be a commission on off-app purchases.
  - madeofpalk 1y ago
    It cannot be overstated just how furious the judge is with Apple. I cannot imagine the judge will tolerate anything that undermines the spirit of the ruling.
    - crooked-v 1y ago
      Yeah, this is already in territory where he's pushing criminal prosecution referrals for Apple executives. It's well into "protect your own hide, personally, by making sure you comply with the ruling" for people making the decisions at Apple.
no_wizard 1y ago
I'm surprised they haven't simply forced tiered pricing for their developer program. You still need that to get on the platform. They could charge based on the relative size of the business. Why not charge Netflix 50K? They won't give up the platform and the consumer - even for Netflix - likely wouldn't enjoy going to the web browser exclusively. Perhaps that pushes more PWA's but really, I doubt the big corps would balk at this. Their scale would need to be exceedingly reasonable to keep the smaller shops from rioting though.
cyberax 1y ago
Here's a thought: Apple should NOT be able to "monetize" third-party apps. At all. They have no right to the work of other people. Apple wants to mandate a review? That's fine. Charge developers for the reviewers' time with a reasonable profit margin, and Apple _already_ charges $100 a year for access to the AppStore.

tmpz22 1y ago

If Apple penalized apps for having many users that would be cataclysmic to their platform, though I image they'd work out sweetheart deals with Facebook etc.

sixothree 1y ago
One way or the other this is a seismic event for Apple. They did this to themselves though.
tantalor 1y ago
It could be like a platform subscription fee, but the app developer pays instead of the user. The justification would be something like, "a more equitable and transparent system that aligns costs with platform usage and developer access to the user base, while also potentially fostering a more diverse and competitive app ecosystem" (generated)
- HenryBemis 1y ago
  I left Apple years ago, right on the battery-gate scandal. Since I'm in Android since, I imagine that if Google Play Store would introduce a fee to "a more equitable..." I would do all my 'shopping' to Aurora, APKPure, and others.

geoffpado 1y ago

> They could also implement that independent of the injunction, which applies to steering rules. They actually can't, not with the latest ruling that unlocked this Kindle change. Apple annoyed the judge enough with their shenanigans that she shut this down, too. The ruling reads (emphasis mine): "Effective immediately Apple will no longer impede developers’ ability to communicate with users *nor will they levy or impose a new commission on off-app purchases*."

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what 1y ago
They can just charge you per install or update over some threshold. Which wouldn’t be a commission on off-app purchases.
- madeofpalk 1y ago
  It cannot be overstated just how furious the judge is with Apple. I cannot imagine the judge will tolerate anything that undermines the spirit of the ruling.
  - crooked-v 1y ago
    Yeah, this is already in territory where he's pushing criminal prosecution referrals for Apple executives. It's well into "protect your own hide, personally, by making sure you comply with the ruling" for people making the decisions at Apple.

no_wizard 1y ago

I'm surprised they haven't simply forced tiered pricing for their developer program. You still need that to get on the platform. They could charge based on the relative size of the business. Why not charge Netflix 50K? They won't give up the platform and the consumer - even for Netflix - likely wouldn't enjoy going to the web browser exclusively. Perhaps that pushes more PWA's but really, I doubt the big corps would balk at this. Their scale would need to be exceedingly reasonable to keep the smaller shops from rioting though.

cyberax 1y ago

Here's a thought: Apple should NOT be able to "monetize" third-party apps. At all. They have no right to the work of other people. Apple wants to mandate a review? That's fine. Charge developers for the reviewers' time with a reasonable profit margin, and Apple _already_ charges $100 a year for access to the AppStore.