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Swift is really great these days and supports Windows and Linux. It almost feels like a scripting language other than the compile time of course.

by _mlbt 1y ago

smt88 1y ago
There is no universe where I'm doing to use Apple tooling on a day to day basis. Their DX is the worst among big tech companies by far.
- _mlbt 1y ago
  They have quite robust command line tooling and a good VS Code plugin now. You don’t need to use Xcode anymore for Swift.
kelnos 1y ago
I still have a hard time adopting a language/ecosystem that was originally tied to a particular platform, and is still "owned" by the owners of that platform. Sun actually did it right with Java, recognizing that if they mainly targeted SunOS/Solaris, no one would use it. And even though Oracle owns it now, it's not really feasible for them to make it proprietary. Apple didn't care about other platforms (as usual) for quite a long time in Swift's history. Microsoft was for years actively hostile toward attempts to run .NET programs on platforms other than Windows. Regardless of Apple's or MS's current stance, I can't see myself ever bothering with Swift or C#/F#/etc. There are too many other great choices with broad platform and community support, that aren't closely tied to a corporation.
- hmry 1y ago
  .NET recently had a (very) minor controversy for inserting what amounts to a GitHub Copilot ad into their docs. So yeah, it sure feels like "once a corporate language, always a corporate language", even if it's transferred to a nominally independent org. It might not be entirely rational, but I certainly feel uncomfortable using Swift or .NET.
- neonsunset 1y ago
  > Microsoft was for years actively hostile toward attempts to run .NET programs on platforms other than Windows It's been 10 years. Even before that, no action was ever taken against Mono nor any restriction put or anything else. FWIW Swift shares a similar story, except Apple started to care only quite recently about it working anywhere else beyond their platforms. Oh, and by the way, you need to look at these metrics: https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/platform/telemetry https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/platform/telemetry Maybe take off the conspiracy hat? > There are too many other great choices with broad platform and community support :) No, thanks, I'm good. You know why I stayed in .NET land and didn't switch to, say, Go? It's not that it's so good, it's because most alternatives are so bad in one or another area (often many at the same time).

Swift is really great these days and supports Windows and Linux. It almost feels like a scripting language other than the compile time of course.

by _mlbt 1y ago

Swift is really great these days and supports Windows and Linux. It almost feels like a scripting language other than the compile time of course.

smt88 1y ago

There is no universe where I'm doing to use Apple tooling on a day to day basis. Their DX is the worst among big tech companies by far.

_mlbt 1y ago
They have quite robust command line tooling and a good VS Code plugin now. You don’t need to use Xcode anymore for Swift.

kelnos 1y ago

I still have a hard time adopting a language/ecosystem that was originally tied to a particular platform, and is still "owned" by the owners of that platform. Sun actually did it right with Java, recognizing that if they mainly targeted SunOS/Solaris, no one would use it. And even though Oracle owns it now, it's not really feasible for them to make it proprietary. Apple didn't care about other platforms (as usual) for quite a long time in Swift's history. Microsoft was for years actively hostile toward attempts to run .NET programs on platforms other than Windows. Regardless of Apple's or MS's current stance, I can't see myself ever bothering with Swift or C#/F#/etc. There are too many other great choices with broad platform and community support, that aren't closely tied to a corporation.

hmry 1y ago
.NET recently had a (very) minor controversy for inserting what amounts to a GitHub Copilot ad into their docs. So yeah, it sure feels like "once a corporate language, always a corporate language", even if it's transferred to a nominally independent org. It might not be entirely rational, but I certainly feel uncomfortable using Swift or .NET.
neonsunset 1y ago
> Microsoft was for years actively hostile toward attempts to run .NET programs on platforms other than Windows It's been 10 years. Even before that, no action was ever taken against Mono nor any restriction put or anything else. FWIW Swift shares a similar story, except Apple started to care only quite recently about it working anywhere else beyond their platforms. Oh, and by the way, you need to look at these metrics: https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/platform/telemetry https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/platform/telemetry Maybe take off the conspiracy hat? > There are too many other great choices with broad platform and community support :) No, thanks, I'm good. You know why I stayed in .NET land and didn't switch to, say, Go? It's not that it's so good, it's because most alternatives are so bad in one or another area (often many at the same time).