My point though is that simulated suffering, if simulated effectively, is as real as nonsimulated suffering. The important part of suffering is that it’s experi

My point though is that simulated suffering, if simulated effectively, is as real as nonsimulated suffering. The important part of suffering is that it’s experienced. The inverse of fake people experiencing real suffering is that if you put a real person in a torture machine but you somehow prevent them from experience suffering they would not be suffering. So it does not matter whether or not the people are real. I fully understand some people disagree as you’re saying. But I believe they aren’t being intellectually honest with themselves and are actually just trying to excuse the reality of simulated suffering.