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Why don't you compare the US to Nigeria, Brazil, or Pakistan? Those are more in-line with US population size than Germany, London, or China

ceejayoz 1y ago
> Why don't you compare the US to Nigeria, Brazil, or Pakistan? Because we are in the developed world, and "at least we're better than Pakistan" is probably not the highest of bars we should aspire to as a country? > Those are more in-line with US population size than Germany, London, or China The EU, if you prefer - similar size, population, state+federal(ish) makeup, developed world, mix of wealthy and poorer jurisdictions, etc. - has a 0.86/100k rate.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
  > is probably not the highest of bars we should aspire to Keep going on this. Why is the US inherently better than Pakistan/Nigeria/Brazil?
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    Inherently? Nah. Historically? Colonialism. Currently? Yeah, I'd rather live here in the developed world.
hollerith 1y ago
Because the numbers we are citing here have been divided by population size.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
  It's likely that population size/density can't be abstracted away by normalizing figures since those are actually factors leading to population violence/governance.
  - hollerith 1y ago
    Why would a resident of a populous country be significantly more likely to kill than a resident of a small country?
    - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
      No idea, but look at the homicide rate or Wyoming (590k, 2.6/100k) vs that of any similarly-populated US city: Baltimore (576k, 58/100k), Albuquerque (562k, 21/100k), Fresno (544k, 13/100k).
      - ceejayoz 1y ago
        Now, do the same with similarly sized cities and regions in the developed world - the EU, for example. You’ll find dramatically lower rates for comparable populations.
      - hollerith 1y ago
        Yes, it is widely known that population density increases the homicide rate. However your first comment in this thread asserted that it is illogical or improper to compare (the homicide rate in) the US to Germany or China on the grounds that the one has a much smaller total population than the US and that the other has a much larger total population, and you have added nothing that supports those 2 assertions. If every country in the world had the same area as every other country, then you could draw a line from total population to population density, but of course that is not the case.

ceejayoz 1y ago

> Why don't you compare the US to Nigeria, Brazil, or Pakistan? Because we are in the developed world, and "at least we're better than Pakistan" is probably not the highest of bars we should aspire to as a country? > Those are more in-line with US population size than Germany, London, or China The EU, if you prefer - similar size, population, state+federal(ish) makeup, developed world, mix of wealthy and poorer jurisdictions, etc. - has a 0.86/100k rate.

ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
> is probably not the highest of bars we should aspire to Keep going on this. Why is the US inherently better than Pakistan/Nigeria/Brazil?
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  Inherently? Nah. Historically? Colonialism. Currently? Yeah, I'd rather live here in the developed world.

hollerith 1y ago

Because the numbers we are citing here have been divided by population size.

ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
It's likely that population size/density can't be abstracted away by normalizing figures since those are actually factors leading to population violence/governance.
- hollerith 1y ago
  Why would a resident of a populous country be significantly more likely to kill than a resident of a small country?
  - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
    No idea, but look at the homicide rate or Wyoming (590k, 2.6/100k) vs that of any similarly-populated US city: Baltimore (576k, 58/100k), Albuquerque (562k, 21/100k), Fresno (544k, 13/100k).
    - ceejayoz 1y ago
      Now, do the same with similarly sized cities and regions in the developed world - the EU, for example. You’ll find dramatically lower rates for comparable populations.
    - hollerith 1y ago
      Yes, it is widely known that population density increases the homicide rate. However your first comment in this thread asserted that it is illogical or improper to compare (the homicide rate in) the US to Germany or China on the grounds that the one has a much smaller total population than the US and that the other has a much larger total population, and you have added nothing that supports those 2 assertions. If every country in the world had the same area as every other country, then you could draw a line from total population to population density, but of course that is not the case.