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> Ubuntu is the most widely deployed Linux operating system Nitpicking, but I thought Android was the most widely deployed Linux OS around...

xethos 1y ago
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- jbverschoor 1y ago
  Ubuntu is the most widely deployed Ubuntu operating system
- bheadmaster 1y ago
  > we do not need a flame war or chain of comments about what RMS' valid points were, when he was being (tremendously but unintentionally) offensive, and when he was merely being overly pedantic If your intention is to not start a flame war, you might want to avoid contraversial topics such as the obviously manufactured canceling of RMS by the-powers-that-be.
  - fsflover 1y ago
    And if you do want to see some flame war about the real RMS cancelling, here you go: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22299156 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22299156
    - bheadmaster 1y ago
      Yeah, I remember that. That canceling was exactly what I referred to. I didn't mean to imply that the canceling was fake by putting it in the quotes, but that it was intentional and orchestrated. I've removed the quotes to avoid further misunderstanding.
pphysch 1y ago
Maybe "deployed" is the key word here. Android is treated like a fixture of mobile devices rather than a fungible Linux distro.
dist-epoch 1y ago
That's the logic Oracle uses to say Java is the most widely deployed language in the world, because it runs on phone sim cards and credit cards
- Gabrys1 1y ago
  I think that's alright?
ffsm8 1y ago
Android uses the Linux Kernel, but iirc (correct me if I'm wrong), it doesn't come with the required application to make it Unix and hence is not the Linux operating system. That would mean it's only using the same kernel as the Linux operating system? Idk, just speculating to maybe get the thought process
- steveklabnik 1y ago
  > it doesn't come with the required application to make it Unix and hence is not the Linux operating system. Linux is not a Unix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix-like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix-like
- flexagoon 1y ago
  > That would mean it's only using the same kernel as the Linux operating system? There's no "Linux operating system". Linux is the name of the kernel. Android is an operating system, GNU/Linux is, things like BusyBox/Linux are. They're all operating systems that use the Linux kernel.
  - ffsm8 1y ago
    Uh, didn't I say exactly that? Gnu/Linux Is just collegially known as "Linux" and the operation system suffix made it clear what he was talking about. I didn't come up with the usage of the term, I was merely trying to interpret their words.
    - passivegains 1y ago
      there's competing specs, holy wars, etc. but POSIX is kind of like what you're describing. popular distros are usually mostly-but-not-completely compliant.
      - yjftsjthsd-h 1y ago
        There was also the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base , but unfortunately it wasn't particularly successful.
FpUser 1y ago
I was Ubuntu user until they've introduced snap and started forcing it down everybody's throat. No more Ubuntu for me.
- vgb2k18 1y ago
  For me it was their begging for money on install.
  - butlike 1y ago
    Would you prefer the Microsoft way of begging for money before install?
    - nicce 1y ago
      Canonical has some interesting ways: https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubuntu_data_sharing/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt...
    - FpUser 1y ago
      I currently prefer Debian
    - DaSHacka 1y ago
      I prefer the Arch way of "begging for money on install", which is to say, none at all.
- thesuperbigfrog 1y ago
  >> I was Ubuntu user until they've introduced snap and started forcing it down everybody's throat. No more Ubuntu for me. What issues did you have with snap packages? I am not aware of any problems with snap packages. They have some pretty nice features compared to traditional packages: https://snapcraft.io/docs/get-started#p-19156-connect-an-interface https://snapcraft.io/docs/get-started#p-19156-connect-an-int... If snap packages have caused problems for you, what were the problems?
Ygg2 1y ago
Some would say that Android isn't Linux OS[1]. It runs Linux, in same way Linux runs Wine. As a (POSIX) compatibility layer. [1] because it doesn't abstract the hardware platform, doesn't multiplex hardware, nor protect software principals from each other https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36myc8wQhLo&t=8m48s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36myc8wQhLo&t=8m48s
apexalpha 1y ago
You are correct but in this context Linux means GNU/Linux. Bit like how tomato is technically a fruit but everyone knows that in the context of a supermarket it’s a vegtable
- pietro72ohboy 1y ago
  Ironically, Ubuntu's efforts to replace its GNU components with non-GNU alternatives is very quickly going to turn it back into just Linux.
pjmlp 1y ago
Linux kernel yes, there is very little GNU/Linux userspace on Android.

xethos 1y ago

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jbverschoor 1y ago
Ubuntu is the most widely deployed Ubuntu operating system
bheadmaster 1y ago
> we do not need a flame war or chain of comments about what RMS' valid points were, when he was being (tremendously but unintentionally) offensive, and when he was merely being overly pedantic If your intention is to not start a flame war, you might want to avoid contraversial topics such as the obviously manufactured canceling of RMS by the-powers-that-be.
- fsflover 1y ago
  And if you do want to see some flame war about the real RMS cancelling, here you go: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22299156 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22299156
  - bheadmaster 1y ago
    Yeah, I remember that. That canceling was exactly what I referred to. I didn't mean to imply that the canceling was fake by putting it in the quotes, but that it was intentional and orchestrated. I've removed the quotes to avoid further misunderstanding.

pphysch 1y ago

Maybe "deployed" is the key word here. Android is treated like a fixture of mobile devices rather than a fungible Linux distro.

dist-epoch 1y ago

That's the logic Oracle uses to say Java is the most widely deployed language in the world, because it runs on phone sim cards and credit cards

Gabrys1 1y ago
I think that's alright?

ffsm8 1y ago

Android uses the Linux Kernel, but iirc (correct me if I'm wrong), it doesn't come with the required application to make it Unix and hence is not the Linux operating system. That would mean it's only using the same kernel as the Linux operating system? Idk, just speculating to maybe get the thought process

steveklabnik 1y ago
> it doesn't come with the required application to make it Unix and hence is not the Linux operating system. Linux is not a Unix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix-like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix-like
flexagoon 1y ago
> That would mean it's only using the same kernel as the Linux operating system? There's no "Linux operating system". Linux is the name of the kernel. Android is an operating system, GNU/Linux is, things like BusyBox/Linux are. They're all operating systems that use the Linux kernel.
- ffsm8 1y ago
  Uh, didn't I say exactly that? Gnu/Linux Is just collegially known as "Linux" and the operation system suffix made it clear what he was talking about. I didn't come up with the usage of the term, I was merely trying to interpret their words.
  - passivegains 1y ago
    there's competing specs, holy wars, etc. but POSIX is kind of like what you're describing. popular distros are usually mostly-but-not-completely compliant.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 1y ago
      There was also the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base , but unfortunately it wasn't particularly successful.

FpUser 1y ago

I was Ubuntu user until they've introduced snap and started forcing it down everybody's throat. No more Ubuntu for me.

vgb2k18 1y ago
For me it was their begging for money on install.
- butlike 1y ago
  Would you prefer the Microsoft way of begging for money before install?
  - nicce 1y ago
    Canonical has some interesting ways: https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubuntu_data_sharing/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt...
  - FpUser 1y ago
    I currently prefer Debian
  - DaSHacka 1y ago
    I prefer the Arch way of "begging for money on install", which is to say, none at all.
thesuperbigfrog 1y ago
>> I was Ubuntu user until they've introduced snap and started forcing it down everybody's throat. No more Ubuntu for me. What issues did you have with snap packages? I am not aware of any problems with snap packages. They have some pretty nice features compared to traditional packages: https://snapcraft.io/docs/get-started#p-19156-connect-an-interface https://snapcraft.io/docs/get-started#p-19156-connect-an-int... If snap packages have caused problems for you, what were the problems?

Ygg2 1y ago

Some would say that Android isn't Linux OS[1]. It runs Linux, in same way Linux runs Wine. As a (POSIX) compatibility layer. [1] because it doesn't abstract the hardware platform, doesn't multiplex hardware, nor protect software principals from each other https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36myc8wQhLo&t=8m48s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36myc8wQhLo&t=8m48s

apexalpha 1y ago

You are correct but in this context Linux means GNU/Linux. Bit like how tomato is technically a fruit but everyone knows that in the context of a supermarket it’s a vegtable

pietro72ohboy 1y ago
Ironically, Ubuntu's efforts to replace its GNU components with non-GNU alternatives is very quickly going to turn it back into just Linux.

pjmlp 1y ago

Linux kernel yes, there is very little GNU/Linux userspace on Android.