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Politics is just everything. "No politics" usually means, "Opinions which conflict with mine are unwelcome" or at best the small-C conservative idea that the st

Politics is just everything. "No politics" usually means, "Opinions which conflict with mine are unwelcome" or at best the small-C conservative idea that the status quo has existed forever and so whatever happens to presently be the case is just how things should be. In your own comment you mention "actually the best outcome" but that's a matter of politics, doubtless you have different ideas about what "best" would be than I do, and I appreciate that perhaps you've never considered that anybody other than you could be right, but you might want to take a moment to think again.

dataflow 2y ago
> Politics is just everything. "No politics" usually means, "Opinions which conflict with mine are unwelcome" or at best the small-C conservative idea that the status quo has existed forever and so whatever happens to presently be the case is just how things should be. Everything is political in the same way that everything is offensive and everyone is evil. As in, you're welcome to go around saying that, but don't expect people to find this to be an enlightened perspective.
zahlman 2y ago
> Politics is just everything. The point is that they seem to have conflated opinions about what policies are correct for general real-world issues, with those that are specific to the task of programming. > "No politics" usually means No; "no politics" usually means "please do not attempt to bring up topics that relate to decisions made by governments, and instead stay focused on topics directly related to the project at hand". > or at best the small-C conservative idea that the status quo has existed forever and so whatever happens to presently be the case is just how things should be. I have never understood how this argument makes sense to anyone. Obviously, "changing the status quo" is a policy position in a way that "not changing the status quo" isn't. The argument is effectively that it's impossible to just not care about something, for any given thing. I refute this by noting that an effectively unlimited number of policies can be proposed, yet I am not constantly thinking about politics. > but that's a matter of politics, doubtless you have different ideas about what "best" would be than I do, and I appreciate that perhaps you've never considered that anybody other than you could be right, but you might want to take a moment to think again. Again, I can't fathom how this line of argument makes sense to anyone. "Politics" is, quite simply, understood by the overwhelming majority of people in such a way that determining "best outcome" for a computer program not used in any government capacity is obviously not a political matter. Or else: in your view, what does "should `sudo` do X in Y situation?" have in common with "should country X go to war with country Y?" ?

dataflow 2y ago

> Politics is just everything. "No politics" usually means, "Opinions which conflict with mine are unwelcome" or at best the small-C conservative idea that the status quo has existed forever and so whatever happens to presently be the case is just how things should be. Everything is political in the same way that everything is offensive and everyone is evil. As in, you're welcome to go around saying that, but don't expect people to find this to be an enlightened perspective.

zahlman 2y ago

> Politics is just everything. The point is that they seem to have conflated opinions about what policies are correct for general real-world issues, with those that are specific to the task of programming. > "No politics" usually means No; "no politics" usually means "please do not attempt to bring up topics that relate to decisions made by governments, and instead stay focused on topics directly related to the project at hand". > or at best the small-C conservative idea that the status quo has existed forever and so whatever happens to presently be the case is just how things should be. I have never understood how this argument makes sense to anyone. Obviously, "changing the status quo" is a policy position in a way that "not changing the status quo" isn't. The argument is effectively that it's impossible to just not care about something, for any given thing. I refute this by noting that an effectively unlimited number of policies can be proposed, yet I am not constantly thinking about politics. > but that's a matter of politics, doubtless you have different ideas about what "best" would be than I do, and I appreciate that perhaps you've never considered that anybody other than you could be right, but you might want to take a moment to think again. Again, I can't fathom how this line of argument makes sense to anyone. "Politics" is, quite simply, understood by the overwhelming majority of people in such a way that determining "best outcome" for a computer program not used in any government capacity is obviously not a political matter. Or else: in your view, what does "should `sudo` do X in Y situation?" have in common with "should country X go to war with country Y?" ?