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> The religious element of rust programmers Yeah. I too, hate the Rust Evangelically Orthodox Later Day Christians. Oh, wait... You're serious. What is religi

by Ygg2 1y ago

> The religious element of rust programmers Yeah. I too, hate the Rust Evangelically Orthodox Later Day Christians. Oh, wait... You're serious. What is religious about rewriting tools in Rust? Isn't that what most programmers do for fun and learning? Is it any more religious than worshiping Alan Kay or Dijkstra? > It makes me wonder how much is motivated by stuff other than what’s actually the best outcome. Looks in the thread... Sees https://www.sudo.ws/security/advisories/ https://www.sudo.ws/security/advisories/ Are you sure the status quo is the better outcome?

kjrfghslkdjfl 1y ago
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ziddoap 1y ago
>What is religious about rewriting tools in Rust? "Religious" isn't being used to refer to people rewriting tools in Rust. It's used to refer to people zealously commenting on message boards that every single tool ever built should be rewritten in Rust, and if you aren't rewriting your tool in Rust, you're an idiot.
- Ygg2 1y ago
  > It's used to refer to people zealously commenting on message boards that every single tool ever built should be rewritten in Rust. Ok, but between me, GP and the article, who said that? Where are the Rabid RIIR fans? And before you misquote me, I said, why wouldn't you rewrite stuff in Rust, if the status quo is ridden with bugs, and safety issues? And why shouldn't a Linux distro switch to it if they desire.
  - johnisgood 1y ago
    So sudo is ridden with bugs and safety issues, as opposed to the Rust alternative? I came across a lot of ridiculously absurd logic bugs in the Rust version. Maybe you can still see GitHub Issues.
  - ziddoap 1y ago
    >Ok, but between me, GP and the article, who said that? Where are the Rabid RIIR fans? The person you replied to said: "The religious element of rust programmers seems more extreme than other languages." You interpreted that in a way that ended up with you asking "What is religious about rewriting tools in Rust". I clarified that the typical way "religious element of rust programmers" is interpreted is not the act of rewriting tools, but the proselytizing about rust on message boards. I then gave an example of what that proselytizing typically looks like (which was not a claim that you said something like that). That is the "religious element" being referred to. The proselytizing is the religious element, not the act of rewriting tools in Rust. (The meme "Rust Evangelists" didn't manifest out of thin air because people hate memory safety or whatever -- it's because people are really, really passionate about Rust, and are vocal about that passion)
    - Ygg2 1y ago
      > The proselytizing is the religious element, not the act of rewriting tools in Rust. Ok. Where is the proselytizing taking place in the article? Is the sudo-rs did work, the proselytization? Where is it? > The meme "Rust Evangelists" didn't manifest out of thin air That's not how memes work. It's just something that appeals to some group that spreads it. It can be true, false and fabricated out of thin air. What if I told you, that "What if I told you" meme isn't what Morpheus says to Neo? The scene itself is so divorced from meme it doesn't carry much resemblance (here https://youtu.be/L8H9DqkrkcY https://youtu.be/L8H9DqkrkcY)
      - ziddoap 1y ago
        >Ok. Where is the proselytizing taking place in the article? It's not? It's like you're picking random words out of my comment to quote without bothering to read what I'm writing. Nothing of what I said is about the article. It's about your misinterpretation of what fossuser meant when they said "religious element". I can't explain the same thing for a third (fourth, I guess? since I just tried again) time, I'm running out of different ways to say it. So I'll just leave it there. Your meta-commentary on memes is neat and all, but again, somehow, completely misses the point I was making.

by Ygg2 1y ago

kjrfghslkdjfl 1y ago

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ziddoap 1y ago

>What is religious about rewriting tools in Rust? "Religious" isn't being used to refer to people rewriting tools in Rust. It's used to refer to people zealously commenting on message boards that every single tool ever built should be rewritten in Rust, and if you aren't rewriting your tool in Rust, you're an idiot.

Ygg2 1y ago
> It's used to refer to people zealously commenting on message boards that every single tool ever built should be rewritten in Rust. Ok, but between me, GP and the article, who said that? Where are the Rabid RIIR fans? And before you misquote me, I said, why wouldn't you rewrite stuff in Rust, if the status quo is ridden with bugs, and safety issues? And why shouldn't a Linux distro switch to it if they desire.
- johnisgood 1y ago
  So sudo is ridden with bugs and safety issues, as opposed to the Rust alternative? I came across a lot of ridiculously absurd logic bugs in the Rust version. Maybe you can still see GitHub Issues.
- ziddoap 1y ago
  >Ok, but between me, GP and the article, who said that? Where are the Rabid RIIR fans? The person you replied to said: "The religious element of rust programmers seems more extreme than other languages." You interpreted that in a way that ended up with you asking "What is religious about rewriting tools in Rust". I clarified that the typical way "religious element of rust programmers" is interpreted is not the act of rewriting tools, but the proselytizing about rust on message boards. I then gave an example of what that proselytizing typically looks like (which was not a claim that you said something like that). That is the "religious element" being referred to. The proselytizing is the religious element, not the act of rewriting tools in Rust. (The meme "Rust Evangelists" didn't manifest out of thin air because people hate memory safety or whatever -- it's because people are really, really passionate about Rust, and are vocal about that passion)
  - Ygg2 1y ago
    > The proselytizing is the religious element, not the act of rewriting tools in Rust. Ok. Where is the proselytizing taking place in the article? Is the sudo-rs did work, the proselytization? Where is it? > The meme "Rust Evangelists" didn't manifest out of thin air That's not how memes work. It's just something that appeals to some group that spreads it. It can be true, false and fabricated out of thin air. What if I told you, that "What if I told you" meme isn't what Morpheus says to Neo? The scene itself is so divorced from meme it doesn't carry much resemblance (here https://youtu.be/L8H9DqkrkcY https://youtu.be/L8H9DqkrkcY)
    - ziddoap 1y ago
      >Ok. Where is the proselytizing taking place in the article? It's not? It's like you're picking random words out of my comment to quote without bothering to read what I'm writing. Nothing of what I said is about the article. It's about your misinterpretation of what fossuser meant when they said "religious element". I can't explain the same thing for a third (fourth, I guess? since I just tried again) time, I'm running out of different ways to say it. So I'll just leave it there. Your meta-commentary on memes is neat and all, but again, somehow, completely misses the point I was making.