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I'm not sure what you mean by 'in the end it was more successful' All these polices operate together its not like the first did one, then the other. Depending

I'm not sure what you mean by 'in the end it was more successful' All these polices operate together its not like the first did one, then the other. Depending on the situation the adjusted policy many times. And they also had many polices that you didn't mention, like an active air war and air defense against Germany (and the allies at time). I don't know what you are basing the claim on that one was more successful then the others. Also, why are you using a fictional movie as source for anything? I do not think people were actually kicked out, only denied entry. At least I have not read about that, anybody can provide a source for that? Here some information about the denial of asylum: "According to the Bergier Commission final report, during the Second World War, Switzerland granted asylum to 25,000 Jews while denying around 20,000 refugees (of which a significant portion were estimated to be Jewish) admission to the country in total.[42] However, Serge Klarsfeld, the French-Jewish historian, activist and Nazi Hunter stated in 2013 that the Swiss authorities rejected fewer WWII Jewish refugees than believed. Based on his own research, Klarsfeld claimed that the number of entry denials was closer to 3000." > The report on arms revealed that from 1940 to 1944, 84 per cent of Swiss munitions’ exports went to Axis countries. Of course more trade goes to Axis in this period, as Switzerland was surrounded by the Axis on literally all side. And Switzerland was in desperate need for food and coal. It would have been literally insane not to sell things like munitions to Germany in that situation.

aredox 1y ago
>And Switzerland was in desperate need for food and coal. Switzerland went through WWII without suffering much - and never came clean after WWII until the 1990s, remaining a rear base of nazi and neo-nazi networks during the second half of the XXth century.
- panick21_ 1y ago
  Why are you moving the goal posts? That doesn't really have anything to do with the original post or argument. Is the goal of your post to just come up with as much negative stuff about Switzerland as you can manage? Also its a waste oversimplification to claim 'never came clean until 1990'. That is only in regard to one specific issue and discussion and managing of that issue had been ongoing for a long time. > remaining a rear base of nazi and neo-nazi networks during the second half of the XXth century. And it was a base for anti-nazi networks threw-out the war as well. And politically Switzerland was never close to being extreme right wing or joining the nazis. Switzerland is a free country that is open to lots of foreigners and international organization of all kinds. Including spy agencies from every country under the sun. What official government policy support nazi networks? What exactly do you want Switzerland to do?
  - aredox 1y ago
    >Also its a waste oversimplification to claim 'never came clean until 1990'. Excuse me, but I was there in the 1990s when the documentary "L'Honneur perdu de la Suisse" was aired and the during the debate around the Nazi bank account and the stolen Jewish goods or abandonned Jewish bank accounts. The Swiss authorities, both private (banks) and public, resisted any inquiry until they were forced to, mostly by American Authorities who threatened to ban Swiss banks from operating in the USA. The documentary cited above led to trials against the documentary makers and the television network, and a ban on any diffusion until the European court of Justice ruled in their favor after ten years of legal strife. Your reaction shows that most Swiss refuse to engage with what was clear war profiteering and collaboration *before, during and after WWII" with the Nazis and their successors. Even official accounts nowadays admit this: https://www.ekr.admin.ch/publikationen/d710.html https://www.ekr.admin.ch/publikationen/d710.html >What official government policy support nazi networks? Blocking Jews from seeking refuge and sending them back to Germany; not because of fear of German retaliation, but fear of "Verjudung" - "jewification". >What exactly do you want Switzerland to do? During the war, After the war, admit it, instead of refusing any attempt to right wrongs or even threatening with lawsuits anyone who talks about it. https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/12882741-paul-gruninger-traitre-a-la-patrie-puis-heros.html https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/12882741-paul-gruninger-trait...
aredox 1y ago
It doesn't excuse their treatment of "Righteous Among the Nations" like Paul Gruninger. https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/12882741-paul-gruninger-traitre-a-la-patrie-puis-heros.html https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/12882741-paul-gruninger-trait...
- panick21_ 1y ago
  I'm not excusing anything, rather trying to present a coherent picture, rather then presenting a view that seems to focus on making Switzerland look as possible. Treatment of Paul Gruninger wasn't good, nobody is questioning that. But he was just fired, not shot or imprisoned. A reasonable punishment for what he did. And the people he let in were not evicted. And that despite rejecting some, many Jews were accept into Switzerland and survived the war that somehow isn't talked about much. And of course the Swiss Jews survived the war unlike most other places in Europe. Somehow Switzerland is made out to be a villain when in reality they did a lot and resisted more then many other states would have in the situation. Switzerland didn't do as much as they could have, but that's true for pretty much every nation. Given of how terrible and hopeless the Swiss situation seemed, I think overall their conduct in WW2 was pretty reasonable. Literally every nation that traded with Germany, received gold stolen from Jews, Austria and Czechia. That includes the US and everybody else. But Switzerland is somehow uniquely singled out and is talked about in this context far more then anybody else.

aredox 1y ago

>And Switzerland was in desperate need for food and coal. Switzerland went through WWII without suffering much - and never came clean after WWII until the 1990s, remaining a rear base of nazi and neo-nazi networks during the second half of the XXth century.

panick21_ 1y ago
Why are you moving the goal posts? That doesn't really have anything to do with the original post or argument. Is the goal of your post to just come up with as much negative stuff about Switzerland as you can manage? Also its a waste oversimplification to claim 'never came clean until 1990'. That is only in regard to one specific issue and discussion and managing of that issue had been ongoing for a long time. > remaining a rear base of nazi and neo-nazi networks during the second half of the XXth century. And it was a base for anti-nazi networks threw-out the war as well. And politically Switzerland was never close to being extreme right wing or joining the nazis. Switzerland is a free country that is open to lots of foreigners and international organization of all kinds. Including spy agencies from every country under the sun. What official government policy support nazi networks? What exactly do you want Switzerland to do?
- aredox 1y ago
  >Also its a waste oversimplification to claim 'never came clean until 1990'. Excuse me, but I was there in the 1990s when the documentary "L'Honneur perdu de la Suisse" was aired and the during the debate around the Nazi bank account and the stolen Jewish goods or abandonned Jewish bank accounts. The Swiss authorities, both private (banks) and public, resisted any inquiry until they were forced to, mostly by American Authorities who threatened to ban Swiss banks from operating in the USA. The documentary cited above led to trials against the documentary makers and the television network, and a ban on any diffusion until the European court of Justice ruled in their favor after ten years of legal strife. Your reaction shows that most Swiss refuse to engage with what was clear war profiteering and collaboration *before, during and after WWII" with the Nazis and their successors. Even official accounts nowadays admit this: https://www.ekr.admin.ch/publikationen/d710.html https://www.ekr.admin.ch/publikationen/d710.html >What official government policy support nazi networks? Blocking Jews from seeking refuge and sending them back to Germany; not because of fear of German retaliation, but fear of "Verjudung" - "jewification". >What exactly do you want Switzerland to do? During the war, After the war, admit it, instead of refusing any attempt to right wrongs or even threatening with lawsuits anyone who talks about it. https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/12882741-paul-gruninger-traitre-a-la-patrie-puis-heros.html https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/12882741-paul-gruninger-trait...

aredox 1y ago

It doesn't excuse their treatment of "Righteous Among the Nations" like Paul Gruninger. https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/12882741-paul-gruninger-traitre-a-la-patrie-puis-heros.html https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/12882741-paul-gruninger-trait...

panick21_ 1y ago
I'm not excusing anything, rather trying to present a coherent picture, rather then presenting a view that seems to focus on making Switzerland look as possible. Treatment of Paul Gruninger wasn't good, nobody is questioning that. But he was just fired, not shot or imprisoned. A reasonable punishment for what he did. And the people he let in were not evicted. And that despite rejecting some, many Jews were accept into Switzerland and survived the war that somehow isn't talked about much. And of course the Swiss Jews survived the war unlike most other places in Europe. Somehow Switzerland is made out to be a villain when in reality they did a lot and resisted more then many other states would have in the situation. Switzerland didn't do as much as they could have, but that's true for pretty much every nation. Given of how terrible and hopeless the Swiss situation seemed, I think overall their conduct in WW2 was pretty reasonable. Literally every nation that traded with Germany, received gold stolen from Jews, Austria and Czechia. That includes the US and everybody else. But Switzerland is somehow uniquely singled out and is talked about in this context far more then anybody else.