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Ads intermixed into llm responses is so clearly evil that openai will never do it so long as the nonprofit has a controlling stake (which it currently still has

Ads intermixed into llm responses is so clearly evil that openai will never do it so long as the nonprofit has a controlling stake (which it currently still has), because the nonprofit would never allow it.

aprilthird2021 1y ago
Ads / SEO but with AI responses was so obviously the endgame given how much human attention it controls and the fact that people aren't really willing to pay what it costs (when decent free, open-weights alternatives exist)
Twirrim 1y ago
The insidious part is it doesn't have to be so blatant as adverts, you can achieve a lot by just slight biases in text output. Decades ago I worked for a classical music company, fresh out of school. "So.. how do you anticipate where the music trend is going", I once naively asked one of the senior people on the product side. "Oh, we don't. We tell people really quietly, and they listen". They and the marketing team spent a lot of time doing very subtle work, easily as much as anything big like actual advertisements. Things like small little conversations with music journalists, just a dropped sentence or two that might be repeated in an article, or marginally influence an article; that another journalist might see and have an opinion on, or spark some other curiosity. It only takes a small push and it tends to spread across the industry. It's not a fast process, but when the product team is capable of road-mapping for a year or so in advance, a marketing team can do a lot to prepare things so the audience is ready. LLMs represent a scary capability to influence the entire world, in ways we're not equipped to handle.
- gooob 1y ago
  >LLMs represent a scary capability to influence the entire world, in ways we're not equipped to handle replace LLMs with TV, or smartphones, or maybe even mcdonald's, and you've got the same idea. through TV, corporations got to control a lot of the social world and people's behavior.
- NoahZuniga 1y ago
  Ok but this is still clearly evil, so the controlling non profit would not allow this either.

aprilthird2021 1y ago

Ads / SEO but with AI responses was so obviously the endgame given how much human attention it controls and the fact that people aren't really willing to pay what it costs (when decent free, open-weights alternatives exist)

Twirrim 1y ago

The insidious part is it doesn't have to be so blatant as adverts, you can achieve a lot by just slight biases in text output. Decades ago I worked for a classical music company, fresh out of school. "So.. how do you anticipate where the music trend is going", I once naively asked one of the senior people on the product side. "Oh, we don't. We tell people really quietly, and they listen". They and the marketing team spent a lot of time doing very subtle work, easily as much as anything big like actual advertisements. Things like small little conversations with music journalists, just a dropped sentence or two that might be repeated in an article, or marginally influence an article; that another journalist might see and have an opinion on, or spark some other curiosity. It only takes a small push and it tends to spread across the industry. It's not a fast process, but when the product team is capable of road-mapping for a year or so in advance, a marketing team can do a lot to prepare things so the audience is ready. LLMs represent a scary capability to influence the entire world, in ways we're not equipped to handle.

gooob 1y ago
>LLMs represent a scary capability to influence the entire world, in ways we're not equipped to handle replace LLMs with TV, or smartphones, or maybe even mcdonald's, and you've got the same idea. through TV, corporations got to control a lot of the social world and people's behavior.
NoahZuniga 1y ago
Ok but this is still clearly evil, so the controlling non profit would not allow this either.