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It's not a redefinition, it's a refinement. Think about it - the original definition of AGI was basically a machine that can do absolutely anything at a human

It's not a redefinition, it's a refinement. Think about it - the original definition of AGI was basically a machine that can do absolutely anything at a human level of intelligence or better. That kind of technology wouldn't just appear instantly in a step change. There would be incremental progress. How do you describe the intermediate stages? What about a machine that can do anything better than the 50th percentile of humans? That would be classified as "Competent AGI", but not "Expert AGI" or ASI. > fancy search engine/auto completer That's an extreme oversimplification. By the same reasoning, so is a person. They are just auto completing words when they speak. No that's not how deep learning systems work. It's not auto complete..

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> It's not a redefinition, it's a refinement It's really not. The Space Shuttle isn't an emerging interstellar spacecraft, it's just a spacecraft. Throwing emerging in front of a qualifier to dilute it is just bullshit. > By the same reasoning, so is a person. They are just auto completing words when they speak. We have no evidence of this. There is a common trope across cultures and history of characterising human intelligence in terms of the era's cutting-edge technology. We did it with steam engines [1]. We did it with computers [2]. We're now doing it with large language models. [1] http://metaphors.iath.virginia.edu/metaphors/24583 http://metaphors.iath.virginia.edu/metaphors/24583 [2] https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/ecology-and-evolution/articles/10.3389/fevo.2022.878729/full https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/ecology-and-evolution/a...
- voidspark 1y ago
  Technically it is a refinement, as it distinguishes levels of performance. The General Intelligence part of AGI refers to its ability to solve problems that it was not explicitly trained to solve, across many problem domains. We already have examples of the current systems doing exactly that - zero shot and few shot capabilities. > We have no evidence of this. That's my point. Humans are not "autocompleting words" when they speak.
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  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > Technically it is a refinement, as it distinguishes levels of performance No, it's bringing something out of scope into the definition. Gluten-free means free of gluten. Gluten-free bagel verus sliced bread is a refinement--both started out under the definition. Glutinous bread, on the other hand, is not gluten free. As a result, "almost gluten free" is bullshit. > That's my point. Humans are not "autocompleting words" when they speak Humans are not. LLMs are. It turns out that's incredibly powerful! But it's also limiting in a way that's fundamentally important to the definition of AGI. LLMs bring us closer to AGI in the way the inventions of writing, computers and the internet probably have. Calling LLMs "emerging AGI" pretends we are on a path to AGI in a way we have zero evidence for.
    - voidspark 1y ago
      > Gluten-free means free of gluten. Bad analogy. That's a binary classification. AGI systems can have degrees of performance and capability. > Humans are not. LLMs are. My point is that if you oversimplify LLMs to "word autocompletion" then you can make the same argument for humans. It's such an oversimplification of the transformer / deep learning architecture that it becomes meaningless.
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > That's a binary classification. AGI systems can have degrees of performance and capability The "g" in AGI requires the AI be able to perform "the full spectrum of cognitively demanding tasks with proficiency comparable to, or surpassing, that of humans" [1]. Full and not full are binary. > if you oversimplify LLMs to "word autocompletion" then you can make the same argument for humans No, you can't, unless you're pre-supposing that LLMs work like human minds. Calling LLMs "emerging AGI" pre-supposes that LLMs are the path to AGI. We simply have no evidence for that, no matter how much OpenAI and Google would like to pretend it's true. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_general_intelligence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_general_intelligenc...

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> It's not a redefinition, it's a refinement It's really not. The Space Shuttle isn't an emerging interstellar spacecraft, it's just a spacecraft. Throwing emerging in front of a qualifier to dilute it is just bullshit. > By the same reasoning, so is a person. They are just auto completing words when they speak. We have no evidence of this. There is a common trope across cultures and history of characterising human intelligence in terms of the era's cutting-edge technology. We did it with steam engines [1]. We did it with computers [2]. We're now doing it with large language models. [1] http://metaphors.iath.virginia.edu/metaphors/24583 http://metaphors.iath.virginia.edu/metaphors/24583 [2] https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/ecology-and-evolution/articles/10.3389/fevo.2022.878729/full https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/ecology-and-evolution/a...

voidspark 1y ago
Technically it is a refinement, as it distinguishes levels of performance. The General Intelligence part of AGI refers to its ability to solve problems that it was not explicitly trained to solve, across many problem domains. We already have examples of the current systems doing exactly that - zero shot and few shot capabilities. > We have no evidence of this. That's my point. Humans are not "autocompleting words" when they speak.
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- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > Technically it is a refinement, as it distinguishes levels of performance No, it's bringing something out of scope into the definition. Gluten-free means free of gluten. Gluten-free bagel verus sliced bread is a refinement--both started out under the definition. Glutinous bread, on the other hand, is not gluten free. As a result, "almost gluten free" is bullshit. > That's my point. Humans are not "autocompleting words" when they speak Humans are not. LLMs are. It turns out that's incredibly powerful! But it's also limiting in a way that's fundamentally important to the definition of AGI. LLMs bring us closer to AGI in the way the inventions of writing, computers and the internet probably have. Calling LLMs "emerging AGI" pretends we are on a path to AGI in a way we have zero evidence for.
  - voidspark 1y ago
    > Gluten-free means free of gluten. Bad analogy. That's a binary classification. AGI systems can have degrees of performance and capability. > Humans are not. LLMs are. My point is that if you oversimplify LLMs to "word autocompletion" then you can make the same argument for humans. It's such an oversimplification of the transformer / deep learning architecture that it becomes meaningless.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > That's a binary classification. AGI systems can have degrees of performance and capability The "g" in AGI requires the AI be able to perform "the full spectrum of cognitively demanding tasks with proficiency comparable to, or surpassing, that of humans" [1]. Full and not full are binary. > if you oversimplify LLMs to "word autocompletion" then you can make the same argument for humans No, you can't, unless you're pre-supposing that LLMs work like human minds. Calling LLMs "emerging AGI" pre-supposes that LLMs are the path to AGI. We simply have no evidence for that, no matter how much OpenAI and Google would like to pretend it's true. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_general_intelligence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_general_intelligenc...