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Nope, he has no choice but to work as well, but he works 7 days a week and 10 hour days to keep his businesses afloat. If he retired.. then what? I'm also goin

Nope, he has no choice but to work as well, but he works 7 days a week and 10 hour days to keep his businesses afloat. If he retired.. then what? I'm also going to retire, but in the interim I experience no stress, have plenty of free time, and enjoy what I do.

kadushka 1y ago
If I understood you correctly, he can retire today because he already has enough money to live comfortably for the rest of his life. He does have this choice, and he chooses to continue working. Do you have the same choice? Can you retire today?
- Desafinado 1y ago
  What you're not understanding is that he doesn't have the choice either. He could retire in theory, but his businesses are how he spends his time. If he retired he would have too much free time. So in practice he's in the same situation as me, he has to work. But I work much less under less stressful conditions. As I said, work life balance. He doesn't have that.
  - kadushka 1y ago
    Let's see: he must work because he would have too much free time if he didn't, you must work because you would starve if you didn't. Yeah, clearly you're under less stressful conditions.
    - Desafinado 1y ago
      Yes, he has to work because he would have too much free time, and he still needs his businesses to survive, just as I need employment to survive. It's the same situation, but I work less hours and have a more pleasant life. If his businesses fail he has no other options, if I lose my job I go find another one doing the same thing, making the same amount of money. Is this really that hard to believe?
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      - senordevnyc 1y ago
        I’ve read all your comments here, and as someone who has at different times been both the entrepreneur making big money and the employee working a chill job, I think you’re missing the point here. You started by making the point that he might have more money, but you have more time, which you conclude is ultimately more valuable. As many have pointed out, he can sell his business and retire, which you don’t have the option to do. Your rejoinder that he can’t do that because then he’d have too much time makes little sense, both because you’ve already setup the axiom that “more time = more freedom”, but also because he could at that point decide to do all kinds of things: start another business, buy one, get a job, work for charity, whatever. He’s quite obviously more free than you, although perhaps not psychologically, who can say. You don’t need to defend your life choices to anyone, but from the outside it looks like you’re making an illogical case because you can’t accept that he actually does have more freedom than you. Which is OK! There’s always someone out there doing better than us.
        Desafinado 1y ago
        Try retiring at age 45 and see how that goes. As I'm trying to re-iterate, work-life balance. Others in this thread are making the assumption that work is always bad. People like working, without work we have no purpose. But finding work that offers work life balance offers both - purpose and leisure time. Not an excess of one or the other, When we have an excess of work and money we have no leisure time, when we have an excess of leisure time we have no purpose. This isn't that controversial of a point, read up on any number of uber-wealthy people that attempted to retire early. Sure they were financially free, but in practice they were beholden to the work they chose.
        senordevnyc 1y ago
        I get what you’re saying, I just think you’re justifying your position because you can’t change it. Someone who is financially independent can choose any point along the work/life balance continuum. You can’t. And lots of people have retired early. Many struggle with it and return to work to find purpose or meaning. But they can choose to do that, and on their own terms. I’ve never heard anyone who has become financially independent wish they were back where they had to work a job in order to survive. And guess what, if they DID want that, they could choose that too! They could donate their money and go back to work. They’re more free than you are, no matter how you slice it. It’s OK to acknowledge that.

kadushka 1y ago

If I understood you correctly, he can retire today because he already has enough money to live comfortably for the rest of his life. He does have this choice, and he chooses to continue working. Do you have the same choice? Can you retire today?

Desafinado 1y ago
What you're not understanding is that he doesn't have the choice either. He could retire in theory, but his businesses are how he spends his time. If he retired he would have too much free time. So in practice he's in the same situation as me, he has to work. But I work much less under less stressful conditions. As I said, work life balance. He doesn't have that.
- kadushka 1y ago
  Let's see: he must work because he would have too much free time if he didn't, you must work because you would starve if you didn't. Yeah, clearly you're under less stressful conditions.
  - Desafinado 1y ago
    Yes, he has to work because he would have too much free time, and he still needs his businesses to survive, just as I need employment to survive. It's the same situation, but I work less hours and have a more pleasant life. If his businesses fail he has no other options, if I lose my job I go find another one doing the same thing, making the same amount of money. Is this really that hard to believe?
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    - senordevnyc 1y ago
      I’ve read all your comments here, and as someone who has at different times been both the entrepreneur making big money and the employee working a chill job, I think you’re missing the point here. You started by making the point that he might have more money, but you have more time, which you conclude is ultimately more valuable. As many have pointed out, he can sell his business and retire, which you don’t have the option to do. Your rejoinder that he can’t do that because then he’d have too much time makes little sense, both because you’ve already setup the axiom that “more time = more freedom”, but also because he could at that point decide to do all kinds of things: start another business, buy one, get a job, work for charity, whatever. He’s quite obviously more free than you, although perhaps not psychologically, who can say. You don’t need to defend your life choices to anyone, but from the outside it looks like you’re making an illogical case because you can’t accept that he actually does have more freedom than you. Which is OK! There’s always someone out there doing better than us.
      - Desafinado 1y ago
        Try retiring at age 45 and see how that goes. As I'm trying to re-iterate, work-life balance. Others in this thread are making the assumption that work is always bad. People like working, without work we have no purpose. But finding work that offers work life balance offers both - purpose and leisure time. Not an excess of one or the other, When we have an excess of work and money we have no leisure time, when we have an excess of leisure time we have no purpose. This isn't that controversial of a point, read up on any number of uber-wealthy people that attempted to retire early. Sure they were financially free, but in practice they were beholden to the work they chose.
        senordevnyc 1y ago
        I get what you’re saying, I just think you’re justifying your position because you can’t change it. Someone who is financially independent can choose any point along the work/life balance continuum. You can’t. And lots of people have retired early. Many struggle with it and return to work to find purpose or meaning. But they can choose to do that, and on their own terms. I’ve never heard anyone who has become financially independent wish they were back where they had to work a job in order to survive. And guess what, if they DID want that, they could choose that too! They could donate their money and go back to work. They’re more free than you are, no matter how you slice it. It’s OK to acknowledge that.