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While I generally appreciate this advice to allow yourself to be bored for all the creative benefits that come with it, I also resent it. When large portions of

While I generally appreciate this advice to allow yourself to be bored for all the creative benefits that come with it, I also resent it. When large portions of my life were outside of my control due the 8 hour workday, I felt like I don't want to squander what little time I had to myself while commuting daydreaming. I try not to judge people who are glued to their phones, they could be scrolling TikTok, or they could be reading great literature.

reaperducer 1y ago
I felt like I don't want to squander what little time I had to myself while commuting daydreaming The whole point of this discussion is that daydreaming is not a worthless activity, therefore time spent daydreaming is not "squandered."
- spudlyo 1y ago
  Fiber is also not a worthless foodstuff, but it's a hard sell to be told to eat a dry, gritty bran muffin when I'm starving at brunch.
  - switchbak 1y ago
    Fiber will help you feel full! Hey you started with the analogy :) I don't think anyone is forcing this on you, I think it's your choice on how you spend your time. Allowing for periods of boredom is just more choice available to you. If you're already saturated, I understand that you wouldn't want to embrace that.
- makeitdouble 1y ago
  I read parent's point as having a hierarchy of stuff they want to do, and daydreaming is not worthless, just not as important or rewarding as any other thing they were doing during their commute. For instance for people reading around a hundred books a year, would they want to spend more time daydreaming instead of reading ? Probably no.
- momojo 1y ago
  I used to think this way. I used to think that, despite my busy schedule, I could squeeze good literature in. I *only* need to steal 30 minutes every day; it could be on the bus, right before bed, or during lunch. In aggregate, thats 2.5 hours a week! In reality, one does not simply sit down on a whim and go into Book Reading mode. Maybe others are built for it, but I have to set aside time in advance, drive to a cafe, and really hunker down. And I don't always have the bandwidth or gas to do that. If you frame daydreaming as a mentally expensive activity with variable return (5% eureka moments, 95% tedium), and I'm starved for time already, you'll be much more tempted to reach for the mental junk-food. Low-mental expense, immediate, guaranteed reward. I'm learning I can't have my cake and eat it to. I can't fill my schedule yet also try to pursue these activities that ask me for sustained, long term attention. Something has to give.
  - 542354234235 1y ago
    >Low-mental expense, immediate, guaranteed reward. For me, it isn’t rewarding. When I look back at my time doomscrolling, it doesn’t feel restorative, rewarding, fulfilling. Resending I have been kind of forcing myself to do more things, instead of telling myself that I “need” that mindless downtime. And I have found that it actually gives me more energy to force myself to read a book instead of mindlessly scrolling around, to commit to one episode of quality programing instead of rewatching something easy while also playing around on the phone. Much like committing to physical exercise gives you more energy, stamina, etc. over time than just “resting around”, training to lengthen my attention span gives me more bandwidth for things that take an attention span. Practicing reading 30 mins a day on the bus makes me better at reading on the bus and other places that aren’t hunkered down in a very specific setting. It’s not easy at first and some days are better than others, much like working out or eating healthy, my long term satisfaction is much higher than junk food, digital or otherwise.
    - momojo 1y ago
      > When I look back at my time doomscrolling, it doesn’t feel restorative, rewarding, fulfilling. Resending I have been kind of forcing myself to do more things, instead of telling myself that I “need” that mindless downtime. I agree. I hate how I feel after doom scrolling. But the initial impulse is hard to fight. I'm encouraged to hear about your intentional movement towards healthier digital habits. > force myself to ... instead of ... Where does this energy come from? Are some people better at forcing themselves to do things they need to do? Is it genetic? Is it biology[1]? [1] https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/10/society-is-fixed-biology-is-mutable/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/10/society-is-fixed-biolo...
moffkalast 1y ago
"Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime. That's why I daydream on company time."
chairmansteve 1y ago
Nobody's picking on you dude. You didn't have to read TFA.

reaperducer 1y ago

I felt like I don't want to squander what little time I had to myself while commuting daydreaming The whole point of this discussion is that daydreaming is not a worthless activity, therefore time spent daydreaming is not "squandered."

spudlyo 1y ago
Fiber is also not a worthless foodstuff, but it's a hard sell to be told to eat a dry, gritty bran muffin when I'm starving at brunch.
- switchbak 1y ago
  Fiber will help you feel full! Hey you started with the analogy :) I don't think anyone is forcing this on you, I think it's your choice on how you spend your time. Allowing for periods of boredom is just more choice available to you. If you're already saturated, I understand that you wouldn't want to embrace that.
makeitdouble 1y ago
I read parent's point as having a hierarchy of stuff they want to do, and daydreaming is not worthless, just not as important or rewarding as any other thing they were doing during their commute. For instance for people reading around a hundred books a year, would they want to spend more time daydreaming instead of reading ? Probably no.
momojo 1y ago
I used to think this way. I used to think that, despite my busy schedule, I could squeeze good literature in. I *only* need to steal 30 minutes every day; it could be on the bus, right before bed, or during lunch. In aggregate, thats 2.5 hours a week! In reality, one does not simply sit down on a whim and go into Book Reading mode. Maybe others are built for it, but I have to set aside time in advance, drive to a cafe, and really hunker down. And I don't always have the bandwidth or gas to do that. If you frame daydreaming as a mentally expensive activity with variable return (5% eureka moments, 95% tedium), and I'm starved for time already, you'll be much more tempted to reach for the mental junk-food. Low-mental expense, immediate, guaranteed reward. I'm learning I can't have my cake and eat it to. I can't fill my schedule yet also try to pursue these activities that ask me for sustained, long term attention. Something has to give.
- 542354234235 1y ago
  >Low-mental expense, immediate, guaranteed reward. For me, it isn’t rewarding. When I look back at my time doomscrolling, it doesn’t feel restorative, rewarding, fulfilling. Resending I have been kind of forcing myself to do more things, instead of telling myself that I “need” that mindless downtime. And I have found that it actually gives me more energy to force myself to read a book instead of mindlessly scrolling around, to commit to one episode of quality programing instead of rewatching something easy while also playing around on the phone. Much like committing to physical exercise gives you more energy, stamina, etc. over time than just “resting around”, training to lengthen my attention span gives me more bandwidth for things that take an attention span. Practicing reading 30 mins a day on the bus makes me better at reading on the bus and other places that aren’t hunkered down in a very specific setting. It’s not easy at first and some days are better than others, much like working out or eating healthy, my long term satisfaction is much higher than junk food, digital or otherwise.
  - momojo 1y ago
    > When I look back at my time doomscrolling, it doesn’t feel restorative, rewarding, fulfilling. Resending I have been kind of forcing myself to do more things, instead of telling myself that I “need” that mindless downtime. I agree. I hate how I feel after doom scrolling. But the initial impulse is hard to fight. I'm encouraged to hear about your intentional movement towards healthier digital habits. > force myself to ... instead of ... Where does this energy come from? Are some people better at forcing themselves to do things they need to do? Is it genetic? Is it biology[1]? [1] https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/10/society-is-fixed-biology-is-mutable/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/10/society-is-fixed-biolo...

moffkalast 1y ago

"Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime. That's why I daydream on company time."

chairmansteve 1y ago

Nobody's picking on you dude. You didn't have to read TFA.