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> but may be entitled to use them under fair use. Why? Was it legal for me to download copyrighted songs from Limewire as "fair use"? Because a few people were

by apercu 1y ago

> but may be entitled to use them under fair use. Why? Was it legal for me to download copyrighted songs from Limewire as "fair use"? Because a few people were made examples of. I'm a musician, so 80% of the music I listen to is for learning so it's fair use, right? ;)

Filligree 1y ago
> I'm a musician, so 80% of the music I listen to is for learning so it's fair use, right? ;) I would be happy with that outcome. I’m a fanfiction writer, and a lot of the stories I read are very much for learning. ;-)
BrawnyBadger53 1y ago
If the result of this becomes that substantial remixes and fanfiction can be commercialized without permission from authors then I am happy. This stuff should have been fair use to begin with. Granted it probably already is fair use but because of the way copyright is enforced online it is effectively banned regardless.
lukeschlather 1y ago
I don't believe anyone was ever penalized for downloading only uploading which seems like a pretty similar principle to what the judge is saying here.
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- fngjdflmdflg 1y ago
  This is why Meta didn't seed.[0] [0] https://torrentfreak.com/meta-says-it-made-sure-not-to-seed-any-pirated-books/ https://torrentfreak.com/meta-says-it-made-sure-not-to-seed-...
- sillysaurusx 1y ago
  Heh. People were penalized for merely creating search engines that happened to link to songs. Supposedly the RIAA accepted the offer of a 20-something’s life savings, but only if they switched their major from CS to something else. I believe it, having witnessed those times.
immibis 1y ago
If you used it for fair-use purposes, it could well have been legal. The only way to find out for sure would be to have them sue you, and then successfully or unsuccessfully defend yourself with a fair use argument. Please keep in mind that the law is a kind of stochastic process; "how illegal" something is dependent on how many times someone is found liable for it, which is something that takes a bunch of lawsuits to actually know, and each lawsuit is unique. It's not a computer program where if(X && Y && !Z) then punishment(); (well it sort of is, but X and Y and Z aren't definite boolean values, but things that have to be estimated based on evidence). (I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice)

by apercu 1y ago

Filligree 1y ago

> I'm a musician, so 80% of the music I listen to is for learning so it's fair use, right? ;) I would be happy with that outcome. I’m a fanfiction writer, and a lot of the stories I read are very much for learning. ;-)

BrawnyBadger53 1y ago

If the result of this becomes that substantial remixes and fanfiction can be commercialized without permission from authors then I am happy. This stuff should have been fair use to begin with. Granted it probably already is fair use but because of the way copyright is enforced online it is effectively banned regardless.

lukeschlather 1y ago

I don't believe anyone was ever penalized for downloading only uploading which seems like a pretty similar principle to what the judge is saying here.

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fngjdflmdflg 1y ago
This is why Meta didn't seed.[0] [0] https://torrentfreak.com/meta-says-it-made-sure-not-to-seed-any-pirated-books/ https://torrentfreak.com/meta-says-it-made-sure-not-to-seed-...
sillysaurusx 1y ago
Heh. People were penalized for merely creating search engines that happened to link to songs. Supposedly the RIAA accepted the offer of a 20-something’s life savings, but only if they switched their major from CS to something else. I believe it, having witnessed those times.

immibis 1y ago

If you used it for fair-use purposes, it could well have been legal. The only way to find out for sure would be to have them sue you, and then successfully or unsuccessfully defend yourself with a fair use argument. Please keep in mind that the law is a kind of stochastic process; "how illegal" something is dependent on how many times someone is found liable for it, which is something that takes a bunch of lawsuits to actually know, and each lawsuit is unique. It's not a computer program where if(X && Y && !Z) then punishment(); (well it sort of is, but X and Y and Z aren't definite boolean values, but things that have to be estimated based on evidence). (I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice)