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Not everyone who’s in the country illegally committed a crime – for example if you overstayed a visa you might be deportable, but you haven’t committed a crime.
by boroboro4 1y ago
Not everyone who’s in the country illegally committed a crime – for example if you overstayed a visa you might be deportable, but you haven’t committed a crime.
Then there is a lot of law around asylum seekers. Some of the people who entered the country illegally still might have rights to stay here.
The current laws aren’t as simple as “if you don’t have a paper we can send you outside tomorrow” right now.
And on top of it ones deportation order might have conditions (I.e don’t deport this guy to El Salvador since it’s unsafe for him there) which also can make deportation of illegal illegal. And this one, as you might know, already happened.
The whole El Salvador thing with first two planes having people without final order of removal is illegal.
That’s to answer how deporting illegals can be illegal.
On top of it what’s called deportation might be not exactly deportation in my opinion – it’s unclear why US can send people to foreign prison for entering country illegally.
- firesteelrain 1y agoBeing here illegally is breaking the law and is a crime.
- boroboro4 1y agoDo you consider getting a parking ticket a crime? Jaywalking? Littering? Would you call people committing those actions criminals? Not everything involving breaking the law is a crime. At least from legal perspective.
- firesteelrain 1y agoLogical fallacy. Yes all are breaking the law. But why defend an illegal inmigrant? Kick them out.
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- firesteelrain 1y agoIt’s not being a bigot or hateful when I want people to enter this country legally and when they enter illegally to be deported.
- boroboro4 1y agoI, for one, also want people who's unlawful in the US to leave / be deported. But I also want this to happen according to the law. And this is more important to me than having these people in the US. Person who entered the country illegally, or, for example, overstayed their visas, might have rights to stay here according to our laws (again, look at asylum seekers). And I want those laws to be followed (or changed). I also realize that what's really complicated is to find illegal immigrants. And ultimately it's a trade off between how efficiently we find them and how much we turn into police state. And for me it's much more important not to turn into police state, rather than get rid of unlawful immigrants. Hate towards unlawful immigrants scares me, government induced hate - terrifies me (see https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1919552538447097970 https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1919552538447097970), that's where comparison to fascism comes into conversation. Under the pretense of hate towards particular group of people the worst things are happening. Hate and dehumanization are tools for such regimes. Most of the unlawful immigrants aren't criminals (at least in the way you apply this word to your fellow Americans), and they came here because it was bad for them back home and they wanted better life. The life they're pretty much ready to work a lot for. I can't help but notice how much this is the story of America itself. Your ancestors probably were this kind of people. It is part of the American DNA. As of being bigot and hateful: "kick them out" and your insistence on them being criminals pretty much uncovers your feelings toward these people.
- firesteelrain 1y agoThese people are criminals and illegal inmigrants are criminal. It’s the law nothing wrong about that to think that way.