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Awesome! When I explain it to people, I always ask them to close their eyes and picture an apple on a table. I then ask them what color the apple is. Everyone

by j_bum 1y ago

Awesome! When I explain it to people, I always ask them to close their eyes and picture an apple on a table. I then ask them what color the apple is. Everyone I’ve ever done this with (except a sibling) answers a color. I then say, “to me, there is no color, no apple, no table, no outline; nothing.” Always a leads to fun discussion :)

oaththrowaway 1y ago
I'll have to use that next time!
instagib 1y ago
you’re supposed to be able to make an image of an apple appear in your brain by thinking about it? Sounds nice. Well that was a fun side quest for the evening. One thing I read is aphantasia is common among siblings also.
- haswell 1y ago
  > you’re supposed to be able to make an image of an apple appear in your brain by thinking about it? This is very similar to how I reacted when I started reading “When the Mind’s Eye is Blind” [0] one day. Up to that point (I think I was 31 at the time) I had always believed that when people talked about “visualizing” something, it was just a figure of speech. I didn’t realize people meant it literally. 30+ years of situations suddenly clicked and it was like a bomb of realization went off in my brain. - [0] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-the-minds-eye-is-blind1/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-the-minds-ey...
  - instagib 1y ago
    I suppose this is why the mind palace of memory is difficult for me to utilize. I have read that eskimos lost in the snow and ice have been able to have day hallucinations visually as well auditory. They see and hear birds which do not exist. A YouTuber simulated it with thick white paper taped to his head with white noise playing head phones after 15-30min, iirc. Another avenue to look into aside from hallucinogens as referenced in the link could be deep meditation.
    - haswell 1y ago
      My inability to do the mind palace thing is one of those things that suddenly made sense to me. I've gone deep down a meditation rabbit hole since learning about all of this. No visual imagery yet, but I do see what I would have to describe as a non-specific shimmering/morphing "wave" that comes and goes. Nothing that I could describe as an image of something, but visual phenomena nonetheless.

by j_bum 1y ago

oaththrowaway 1y ago

I'll have to use that next time!

instagib 1y ago

you’re supposed to be able to make an image of an apple appear in your brain by thinking about it? Sounds nice. Well that was a fun side quest for the evening. One thing I read is aphantasia is common among siblings also.

haswell 1y ago
> you’re supposed to be able to make an image of an apple appear in your brain by thinking about it? This is very similar to how I reacted when I started reading “When the Mind’s Eye is Blind” [0] one day. Up to that point (I think I was 31 at the time) I had always believed that when people talked about “visualizing” something, it was just a figure of speech. I didn’t realize people meant it literally. 30+ years of situations suddenly clicked and it was like a bomb of realization went off in my brain. - [0] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-the-minds-eye-is-blind1/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-the-minds-ey...
- instagib 1y ago
  I suppose this is why the mind palace of memory is difficult for me to utilize. I have read that eskimos lost in the snow and ice have been able to have day hallucinations visually as well auditory. They see and hear birds which do not exist. A YouTuber simulated it with thick white paper taped to his head with white noise playing head phones after 15-30min, iirc. Another avenue to look into aside from hallucinogens as referenced in the link could be deep meditation.
  - haswell 1y ago
    My inability to do the mind palace thing is one of those things that suddenly made sense to me. I've gone deep down a meditation rabbit hole since learning about all of this. No visual imagery yet, but I do see what I would have to describe as a non-specific shimmering/morphing "wave" that comes and goes. Nothing that I could describe as an image of something, but visual phenomena nonetheless.