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This is a thread about a system that intentionally and explicitly advantaged one race over another. To then claim that white people have a systemic advantage se

This is a thread about a system that intentionally and explicitly advantaged one race over another. To then claim that white people have a systemic advantage seems absurd and at best counter factual.

const_cast 1y ago
It's not counter-factual, it's just factual. Look, I'm a white man. The unfortunate truth is that white people pretty much always have an advantage, because of unconscious bias. White people don't need formal systems that advantage them because they're already advantaged and have been for a long time.
- throwaway48476 1y ago
  It is counter to the facts in the thread which are systemic and documented. Your subjective feelings and perception do not necessarily correspond to reality as documented or experienced by others. For the individual their perception is their reality so there is no advantage in arguing against it. If your belief system makes you feel better that is all well and good, but it doesn't give you the right to impose it on others. Your shahada is not shared by everyone else.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    It's counter to this specific thread. It's not counter to the world at large or, as you say, "reality". Critical race theory is a real area of study and there are multiple studies backing this up. The systemic advantage white people face is so painfully real and obvious that, if you deny it, you are delusional. > Your shahada is not shared by everyone else. It's not "shahada", it's science. Just because it makes you feel slightly uncomfortable doesn't mean it's not real. I encourage you to find a box of tissues, and get over it.
    - throwaway48476 1y ago
      You can call it "science" but your beliefs have more in common with quasi religious articles of faith. CRT is an area of study no different than theology. Aggressively proselytizing your religion is not as effective as you think, see the jehovahs witnesses. Lots of people feel their god is real and think non adherents are delusional, some even try to prove their god is real with "science".
      - const_cast 1y ago
        Have you done any research into it? Or, because it makes you uncomfortable, you just write it off as a religion and ignore it? A lot of people work backwards. They don't like the conclusions drawn by CRT and social studies so they work backwards and conclude that it's based on things that aren't real. But these areas of studies work forwards. Meaning, they identify obvious, real, and undeniable racial systems, such as redlining, and then study the long-term effects of that. If you think something like, say, preventing black Americans from owning property, has no long-term effects on the demographic then you've probably just never thought about it. This isn't a TV show, this isn't a picture perfect depiction of a country. Our institutions are old, and things don't just - poof - get fixed. Integration was messy, and it took decades. Reconstruction wasn't linear, it progressed and then regressed. Segregation never disappeared - to this day, most cities are segregated. To just conclude "well that doesn't matter", based on zero research or understanding, is intellectually lazy. Of course, if you do start to do research into it, congratulations, you have re-discovered the discipline of CRT. Because that's all it is. So, you have no choice but to stay ignorant, because otherwise you threaten your entire belief system. And we can't have that, can we?
        throwaway48476 1y ago
        Nothing I say could ever convince you otherwise because it is your deeply held belief and system of faith. It provides you a community of others that share your beliefs and practices as well as opportunities for religious experiences. Just don't proselytize, the rest of us find it as annoying as the jehovash witnesses.
        anonymars 1y ago

This is a thread about a system that intentionally and explicitly advantaged one race over another. To then claim that white people have a systemic advantage seems absurd and at best counter factual.

const_cast 1y ago

It's not counter-factual, it's just factual. Look, I'm a white man. The unfortunate truth is that white people pretty much always have an advantage, because of unconscious bias. White people don't need formal systems that advantage them because they're already advantaged and have been for a long time.

throwaway48476 1y ago
It is counter to the facts in the thread which are systemic and documented. Your subjective feelings and perception do not necessarily correspond to reality as documented or experienced by others. For the individual their perception is their reality so there is no advantage in arguing against it. If your belief system makes you feel better that is all well and good, but it doesn't give you the right to impose it on others. Your shahada is not shared by everyone else.
- const_cast 1y ago
  It's counter to this specific thread. It's not counter to the world at large or, as you say, "reality". Critical race theory is a real area of study and there are multiple studies backing this up. The systemic advantage white people face is so painfully real and obvious that, if you deny it, you are delusional. > Your shahada is not shared by everyone else. It's not "shahada", it's science. Just because it makes you feel slightly uncomfortable doesn't mean it's not real. I encourage you to find a box of tissues, and get over it.
  - throwaway48476 1y ago
    You can call it "science" but your beliefs have more in common with quasi religious articles of faith. CRT is an area of study no different than theology. Aggressively proselytizing your religion is not as effective as you think, see the jehovahs witnesses. Lots of people feel their god is real and think non adherents are delusional, some even try to prove their god is real with "science".
    - const_cast 1y ago
      Have you done any research into it? Or, because it makes you uncomfortable, you just write it off as a religion and ignore it? A lot of people work backwards. They don't like the conclusions drawn by CRT and social studies so they work backwards and conclude that it's based on things that aren't real. But these areas of studies work forwards. Meaning, they identify obvious, real, and undeniable racial systems, such as redlining, and then study the long-term effects of that. If you think something like, say, preventing black Americans from owning property, has no long-term effects on the demographic then you've probably just never thought about it. This isn't a TV show, this isn't a picture perfect depiction of a country. Our institutions are old, and things don't just - poof - get fixed. Integration was messy, and it took decades. Reconstruction wasn't linear, it progressed and then regressed. Segregation never disappeared - to this day, most cities are segregated. To just conclude "well that doesn't matter", based on zero research or understanding, is intellectually lazy. Of course, if you do start to do research into it, congratulations, you have re-discovered the discipline of CRT. Because that's all it is. So, you have no choice but to stay ignorant, because otherwise you threaten your entire belief system. And we can't have that, can we?
      - throwaway48476 1y ago
        Nothing I say could ever convince you otherwise because it is your deeply held belief and system of faith. It provides you a community of others that share your beliefs and practices as well as opportunities for religious experiences. Just don't proselytize, the rest of us find it as annoying as the jehovash witnesses.
      - anonymars 1y ago