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Your article basically says auto dealers are racist but federal contractors and "profitable companies" are generally more comparable. The solution would be to

by amy214 1y ago

Your article basically says auto dealers are racist but federal contractors and "profitable companies" are generally more comparable. The solution would be to enforce racist regulations against the auto dealer, not falsely generalize the problem and enforce a solution. Secondly, there are fields of academia that make it a point to show racism exists and to uncover racism, so publications like this are as fraught with conflicts of interest as a cigarette company researcher investigating the benefits of nicotine. Pointing the finger at white people is also problematic, it's a racial supply/demand, and generally at competitive fields like medicine or programming, competitive schools, one sees a proportional oversaturation of asians (per capita) versus whites. Shall we say employers are favoring asians and talk about the asian menace, as we do the white menace? If particular races, often tagging a cultural history, are associated with different cultural preferences for lifestyle or career, I would simply say "so what?" If the goal is to homogenize equal participation from all demographics groups to all vocations, to me that seems silly and runs against human nature, it can be expected to work as well as the communist efforts of societal homogenization we saw in the 20th century. Yes, we need to kick the tires and convince ourselves that all are afforded somewhat fair opportunities, but seeing race as a confounder here or there, and immediately leaping to systematic racism as the purported mechanism - that's just poor science.

const_cast 1y ago
I'm not "pointing the finger" at anyone. Part of the problem with pointing out systemic racism and unconscious bias is that white folk are very fragile. They get uncomfortable when you point out very obvious deductions - like hundreds of years of racial injustice not magically disappearing in the late 60s. I'm not saying that other racism doesn't exist. But I am saying that complaints from white people on account of their whiteness is pathetic at best and willfully ignorant at worst. At the end of the day, white people, which includes me, are advantaged in virtually all areas of modern society. It would be easy to say that I got where I am based purely on my own skill and intellect. It would also not be true. The zip code I was born in, the schools I went to, and the overall landscape of modern America have an incalculable influence in my success.
- anonymars 1y ago
  I can't help but laugh when people make broad racial statements as they attempt to transcend racism. To wit, "white folk are very fragile" How much do you think "white privilege" rhetoric resonates with, say, French-speaking Mainers? Who also had the experience of "your name got you scorned from jobs or spit on in school" https://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/04/us/longscorned-in-maine-french-has-renaissance.html https://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/04/us/longscorned-in-maine-f... Humans are racist because humans are tribal. Yes, we should work on improving as a society, but don't be surprised that making broad pejorative racial statements doesn't do it. This is a far better argument: > The zip code I was born in, the schools I went to, and the overall landscape of modern America have an incalculable influence in my success. I would also add to that, "the values, attention, nutrition, and opportunities provided by my parents in my formative years"
  - const_cast 1y ago
    > This is a far better argument: > > The zip code I was born in, the schools I went to, and the overall landscape of modern America have an incalculable influence in my success. Right, this is a very good argument. That's the argument behind CRT, lol. What you're missing is that what I described is tangibly and undeniably intertwined with race. Most of the US is still segregated. Why do you think I mentioned zip codes? For fun? Do you truly believe that has nothing to do with race or demographics? Even you could not be so ignorant. While it's easy and fun to believe race is just something that exists outside of our world, it's just not true. It's linked with crime, with homelessness, with drug use, with school funding, with opportunities, with healthcare outcomes, with pedestrian deaths, with access to medicine, with access to DMVs, with access to voting, and on and on. And those are all tangible. You can say that I got where I was based not on my race, but rather on my zipcode. Sure. But my zipcode is directly associated with race, so in reality, you agree with me.
    - anonymars 1y ago
      > Even you could not be so ignorant. I think I'm going to head out for now, but give me a holler when this strategy brings someone over to your point of view > so in reality, you agree with me Just so! You aren't actually arguing with what I said, which was basically, "I don't think your framing of this is effective", which is what I meant by "this is a far better argument" "The difference between cannibals and liberals is that cannibals eat only their enemies" - LBJ

by amy214 1y ago

const_cast 1y ago

I'm not "pointing the finger" at anyone. Part of the problem with pointing out systemic racism and unconscious bias is that white folk are very fragile. They get uncomfortable when you point out very obvious deductions - like hundreds of years of racial injustice not magically disappearing in the late 60s. I'm not saying that other racism doesn't exist. But I am saying that complaints from white people on account of their whiteness is pathetic at best and willfully ignorant at worst. At the end of the day, white people, which includes me, are advantaged in virtually all areas of modern society. It would be easy to say that I got where I am based purely on my own skill and intellect. It would also not be true. The zip code I was born in, the schools I went to, and the overall landscape of modern America have an incalculable influence in my success.

anonymars 1y ago
I can't help but laugh when people make broad racial statements as they attempt to transcend racism. To wit, "white folk are very fragile" How much do you think "white privilege" rhetoric resonates with, say, French-speaking Mainers? Who also had the experience of "your name got you scorned from jobs or spit on in school" https://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/04/us/longscorned-in-maine-french-has-renaissance.html https://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/04/us/longscorned-in-maine-f... Humans are racist because humans are tribal. Yes, we should work on improving as a society, but don't be surprised that making broad pejorative racial statements doesn't do it. This is a far better argument: > The zip code I was born in, the schools I went to, and the overall landscape of modern America have an incalculable influence in my success. I would also add to that, "the values, attention, nutrition, and opportunities provided by my parents in my formative years"
- const_cast 1y ago
  > This is a far better argument: > > The zip code I was born in, the schools I went to, and the overall landscape of modern America have an incalculable influence in my success. Right, this is a very good argument. That's the argument behind CRT, lol. What you're missing is that what I described is tangibly and undeniably intertwined with race. Most of the US is still segregated. Why do you think I mentioned zip codes? For fun? Do you truly believe that has nothing to do with race or demographics? Even you could not be so ignorant. While it's easy and fun to believe race is just something that exists outside of our world, it's just not true. It's linked with crime, with homelessness, with drug use, with school funding, with opportunities, with healthcare outcomes, with pedestrian deaths, with access to medicine, with access to DMVs, with access to voting, and on and on. And those are all tangible. You can say that I got where I was based not on my race, but rather on my zipcode. Sure. But my zipcode is directly associated with race, so in reality, you agree with me.
  - anonymars 1y ago
    > Even you could not be so ignorant. I think I'm going to head out for now, but give me a holler when this strategy brings someone over to your point of view > so in reality, you agree with me Just so! You aren't actually arguing with what I said, which was basically, "I don't think your framing of this is effective", which is what I meant by "this is a far better argument" "The difference between cannibals and liberals is that cannibals eat only their enemies" - LBJ