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> Players never get rid of the cheaters completely > The optimal amount of bad behavior is not zero. Obviously the goal never has been to have 0 cheaters. Jus

by doikor 1y ago

> Players never get rid of the cheaters completely > The optimal amount of bad behavior is not zero. Obviously the goal never has been to have 0 cheaters. Just from the detection side you need to delay the bans, let in some of the previously detected cheats again, etc to keep the cat and mouse game going on (make it harder to A/B test your cheats) https://x.com/deteccphilippe/status/1883945555102957617 https://x.com/deteccphilippe/status/1883945555102957617 > Worse still, is that we actually have to let them back in. When we outright “block” a cheating method, we are technically providing the cheater an instantaneous surface to iterate against, allowing them to A/B test their cheats until they find something that is actually undetected at that layer. > unrelated people who don't play games get their hardware+software locked down because of a bunch of whiny gamers If you think it is an issue then don't play their game. Very few companies are willing to go through the effort as it is actually quite a lot of work just from the security vulnerability aspects alone (and you also have to effectively detect the cheats too)

orbital-decay 1y ago
Ban delay is a standard practice, as is raising the entry barrier, but everything both did was creating a culture that made cheaters adapt and get more and more involved, to the point where the cheating itself is the game. What anticheat companies brag about in your link and in the PR piece in OP is entirely irrelevant, the reality is pretty different. I know because I'm pretty familiar with it, having studied it for years in a low-energy mode. >If you think it is an issue then don't play their game. This is a hypothetical example which would affect everyone regardless of playing any games. Not an existing thing, thankfully. (although I wouldn't be surprised if the pressure will eventually be enough to make this happen. The fact that you can't fix a rotten culture with authoritarian measures without affecting everyone else never stopped anyone)

by doikor 1y ago

orbital-decay 1y ago

Ban delay is a standard practice, as is raising the entry barrier, but everything both did was creating a culture that made cheaters adapt and get more and more involved, to the point where the cheating itself is the game. What anticheat companies brag about in your link and in the PR piece in OP is entirely irrelevant, the reality is pretty different. I know because I'm pretty familiar with it, having studied it for years in a low-energy mode. >If you think it is an issue then don't play their game. This is a hypothetical example which would affect everyone regardless of playing any games. Not an existing thing, thankfully. (although I wouldn't be surprised if the pressure will eventually be enough to make this happen. The fact that you can't fix a rotten culture with authoritarian measures without affecting everyone else never stopped anyone)