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Why is Windows consistently losing market share? (2024)

4 points by rolph 2y ago

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p_ing 2y ago
This is less interesting when they began discussing various computing devices rather than the laptop/desktop market where Windows competes. But 20% for macOS seems way out there. None of their numbers are sourced, which makes the complete article easy to dismiss.
- mattl 2y ago
  https://analytics.wikimedia.org/dashboards/browsers/#desktop-site-by-os/os-family-timeseries https://analytics.wikimedia.org/dashboards/browsers/#desktop... 2025-04-27 * 61.8% Windows * 28.7% Mac OS X * 4.2% Linux * 1.98 Chrome OS * 0.98 Ubuntu
  - p_ing 2y ago
    That's based on User Agent, an inaccurate measurement only consisting of those machines visiting a particular site. https://my.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS53061925 https://my.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS53061925 This is the shipment by vendor. There's no way macOS could make up 25% market share with 2024 shipment data.
    - mattl 2y ago
      Well, not a particular site but the various websites of Wikimedia. I don't know why you think macOS usage is so low. People also tend to hang on to a Mac for far longer than a Windows laptop and especially a Chromebook.
    - fragmede 2y ago
      I doubt wikimedia is lying though, so we have to concoct reasons why their data doesn't match the 2024 data. Which we can just make stuff up for. Is it because macOS users are more likely to use Wikipedia because they're smarter than Windows users? Dumber? Hold onto their computers longer? Whatever the real reason, again, I don't. believe the wiki link is lying, or the 2024 sales numbers, for that matter. It's just there have been years prior to 2024 in which computers were sold so using just those numbers is also an incomplete and inaccurate view of things.
1970-01-01 2y ago
Because telemetry is a privacy invasion, the UX is constantly worsening, artificial update barriers exist, and finally the entire concept of an app store for a PC OS is simply the cherry on top of the FU cake.
- p_ing 2y ago
  > and finally the entire concept of an app store for a PC OS is simply the cherry on top of the FU cake. macOS has had an App Store for quite some time which according to what you're saying, should lead to a dwindling market share, some how. Not that the author provides any of their assertions are factual, so there's that.
  - 1970-01-01 2y ago
    If macOS was IBM PC compatible, I would agree.
    - mattl 2y ago
      Lots of people with Hackintoshes.
    - p_ing 2y ago
      macOS is a Personal Computer operating system.
- thewebguyd 1y ago
  > Because telemetry is a privacy invasion I wish his was a major reason for more folks to dump windows, but the majority of "normies" don't even know what telemetry is or that windows is sending data, let alone what data it sends. Windows will fall, eventually, but not because of some sudden end-user awareness of its enshitification, it will fall because overall desktop/PC sales are falling as more and more people continue to use and have only mobile devices as their primary computing device, whether phone, tablet, or maybe a Chromebook. The last niche for computers are devs, gamers, and users of pro tools (video & photo editing, audio production, CAD, etc.). Time will tell who wins these spaces, but I sure hope it's not going to be windows.
WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
It'd be easier to evangelize for Windows if I didn't constantly have to weed out anti-user behaviors. Below are cmd's I run for new Win11 setups (foistware uninstalls are a another page of PS commands). :: Disable Web from Taskbar Search reg add HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Search /v BingSearchEnabled /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f reg add HKCU\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows /v DisableSearchBoxSuggestions /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f :: Turn Off MS Account Notifications in Start (reduces MS Account grooming) reg add "HKCU\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\AccountNotifications" /v "DisableAccountNotifications" /t REG_DWORD /d "1" /f :: Win11 Start Menu to the left side reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced" /v "TaskbarAl" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f :: Removes Task View from the Taskbar reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced" /v "ShowTaskViewButton" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f :: Set to show file assocations reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced" /v "HideFileExt" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f :: Removes Widgets from the Taskbar reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced" /v "TaskbarDa" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f :: Win11 Turn Off Copilot reg add "HKCU\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Copilot" /v "TurnOffWindowsCopilot" /t REG_DWORD /d "1" /f :: P&G Disable Advertising ID for Personalized Ads reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\AdvertisingInfo" /v "Enabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\AdvertisingInfo" /v "DisabledByGroupPolicy" /t REG_DWORD /d "1" /f :: P&G Disable Show me suggested content reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager" /v "SubscribedContent-338393Enabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager" /v "SubscribedContent-353694Enabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager" /v "SubscribedContent-353696Enabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f sc delete XboxGipSvc sc delete XblAuthManager sc delete XblGameSave sc delete XboxNetApiSvc :: System->Notifications->Disable notifications can play sounds,show reminders on lock, show notifications on lock reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Notifications\Settings" /v "NOC_GLOBAL_SETTING_ALLOW_NOTIFICATION_SOUND" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Notifications\Settings" /v "NOC_GLOBAL_SETTING_ALLOW_TOASTS_ABOVE_LOCK" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Notifications\Settings" /v "LockScreenToastEnabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f :: System->Notifications->Additional Settings, disable all reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager" /v "SubscribedContent-310093Enabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\UserProfileEngagement" /v "ScoobeSystemSettingEnabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager" /v "SubscribedContent-338389Enabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f :: After sleep, Never require signin reg add "HKCU\Control Panel\Desktop" /v DelayLockInterval /d 0xffffffff /t REG_DWORD /f :: Show and enable Max power plan powercfg /s SCHEME_MIN :: Restore UsersMustLogon checkbox to controluserpasswords2 reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\PasswordLess\Device" /v DevicePasswordLessBuildVersion /t REG_DWORD /d 00000000 /f :: Disable auto-submit samples to MSAV reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows Defender\Spynet" /v "SubmitSamplesConsent" /t REG_DWORD /d "2" /f :: Set LockScreen to picture reg add "HKCU\Control Panel\Desktop" /v "LockScreenAutoLockActive" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager" /v "RotatingLockScreenEnabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Lock Screen" /v "SlideshowEnabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f :: Disable Lockscreen widgets for current, all users reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Lock Screen" /v "LockScreenWidgetsEnabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Dsh" /v "DisableWidgetsOnLockScreen" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f :: Personalize Lockscreen = picture :: Set Lockscreen status = None (no joy 24H2) :: Disable "Get fun facts, tips, tricks, and more on your lock screen" reg add "HKCU\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\CloudContent" /v "DisableSpotlightCollectionOnDesktop" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager" /v "RotatingLockScreenOverlayEnabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager" /v "SubscribedContent-338387Enabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f :: Win11 Computer-> R-Click-> restore Win10 Context Menu reg add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /ve /d ""

4 points by rolph 2y ago

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p_ing 2y ago

This is less interesting when they began discussing various computing devices rather than the laptop/desktop market where Windows competes. But 20% for macOS seems way out there. None of their numbers are sourced, which makes the complete article easy to dismiss.

mattl 2y ago
https://analytics.wikimedia.org/dashboards/browsers/#desktop-site-by-os/os-family-timeseries https://analytics.wikimedia.org/dashboards/browsers/#desktop... 2025-04-27 * 61.8% Windows * 28.7% Mac OS X * 4.2% Linux * 1.98 Chrome OS * 0.98 Ubuntu
- p_ing 2y ago
  That's based on User Agent, an inaccurate measurement only consisting of those machines visiting a particular site. https://my.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS53061925 https://my.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS53061925 This is the shipment by vendor. There's no way macOS could make up 25% market share with 2024 shipment data.
  - mattl 2y ago
    Well, not a particular site but the various websites of Wikimedia. I don't know why you think macOS usage is so low. People also tend to hang on to a Mac for far longer than a Windows laptop and especially a Chromebook.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    I doubt wikimedia is lying though, so we have to concoct reasons why their data doesn't match the 2024 data. Which we can just make stuff up for. Is it because macOS users are more likely to use Wikipedia because they're smarter than Windows users? Dumber? Hold onto their computers longer? Whatever the real reason, again, I don't. believe the wiki link is lying, or the 2024 sales numbers, for that matter. It's just there have been years prior to 2024 in which computers were sold so using just those numbers is also an incomplete and inaccurate view of things.

1970-01-01 2y ago

Because telemetry is a privacy invasion, the UX is constantly worsening, artificial update barriers exist, and finally the entire concept of an app store for a PC OS is simply the cherry on top of the FU cake.

p_ing 2y ago
> and finally the entire concept of an app store for a PC OS is simply the cherry on top of the FU cake. macOS has had an App Store for quite some time which according to what you're saying, should lead to a dwindling market share, some how. Not that the author provides any of their assertions are factual, so there's that.
- 1970-01-01 2y ago
  If macOS was IBM PC compatible, I would agree.
  - mattl 2y ago
    Lots of people with Hackintoshes.
  - p_ing 2y ago
    macOS is a Personal Computer operating system.
thewebguyd 1y ago
> Because telemetry is a privacy invasion I wish his was a major reason for more folks to dump windows, but the majority of "normies" don't even know what telemetry is or that windows is sending data, let alone what data it sends. Windows will fall, eventually, but not because of some sudden end-user awareness of its enshitification, it will fall because overall desktop/PC sales are falling as more and more people continue to use and have only mobile devices as their primary computing device, whether phone, tablet, or maybe a Chromebook. The last niche for computers are devs, gamers, and users of pro tools (video & photo editing, audio production, CAD, etc.). Time will tell who wins these spaces, but I sure hope it's not going to be windows.

WarOnPrivacy 2y ago

It'd be easier to evangelize for Windows if I didn't constantly have to weed out anti-user behaviors. Below are cmd's I run for new Win11 setups (foistware uninstalls are a another page of PS commands). :: Disable Web from Taskbar Search reg add HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Search /v BingSearchEnabled /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f reg add HKCU\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows /v DisableSearchBoxSuggestions /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f :: Turn Off MS Account Notifications in Start (reduces MS Account grooming) reg add "HKCU\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\AccountNotifications" /v "DisableAccountNotifications" /t REG_DWORD /d "1" /f :: Win11 Start Menu to the left side reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced" /v "TaskbarAl" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f :: Removes Task View from the Taskbar reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced" /v "ShowTaskViewButton" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f :: Set to show file assocations reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced" /v "HideFileExt" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f :: Removes Widgets from the Taskbar reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced" /v "TaskbarDa" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f :: Win11 Turn Off Copilot reg add "HKCU\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Copilot" /v "TurnOffWindowsCopilot" /t REG_DWORD /d "1" /f :: P&G Disable Advertising ID for Personalized Ads reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\AdvertisingInfo" /v "Enabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\AdvertisingInfo" /v "DisabledByGroupPolicy" /t REG_DWORD /d "1" /f :: P&G Disable Show me suggested content reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager" /v "SubscribedContent-338393Enabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager" /v "SubscribedContent-353694Enabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager" /v "SubscribedContent-353696Enabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f sc delete XboxGipSvc sc delete XblAuthManager sc delete XblGameSave sc delete XboxNetApiSvc :: System->Notifications->Disable notifications can play sounds,show reminders on lock, show notifications on lock reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Notifications\Settings" /v "NOC_GLOBAL_SETTING_ALLOW_NOTIFICATION_SOUND" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Notifications\Settings" /v "NOC_GLOBAL_SETTING_ALLOW_TOASTS_ABOVE_LOCK" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Notifications\Settings" /v "LockScreenToastEnabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f :: System->Notifications->Additional Settings, disable all reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager" /v "SubscribedContent-310093Enabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\UserProfileEngagement" /v "ScoobeSystemSettingEnabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager" /v "SubscribedContent-338389Enabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f :: After sleep, Never require signin reg add "HKCU\Control Panel\Desktop" /v DelayLockInterval /d 0xffffffff /t REG_DWORD /f :: Show and enable Max power plan powercfg /s SCHEME_MIN :: Restore UsersMustLogon checkbox to controluserpasswords2 reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\PasswordLess\Device" /v DevicePasswordLessBuildVersion /t REG_DWORD /d 00000000 /f :: Disable auto-submit samples to MSAV reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows Defender\Spynet" /v "SubmitSamplesConsent" /t REG_DWORD /d "2" /f :: Set LockScreen to picture reg add "HKCU\Control Panel\Desktop" /v "LockScreenAutoLockActive" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager" /v "RotatingLockScreenEnabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Lock Screen" /v "SlideshowEnabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f :: Disable Lockscreen widgets for current, all users reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Lock Screen" /v "LockScreenWidgetsEnabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Dsh" /v "DisableWidgetsOnLockScreen" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f :: Personalize Lockscreen = picture :: Set Lockscreen status = None (no joy 24H2) :: Disable "Get fun facts, tips, tricks, and more on your lock screen" reg add "HKCU\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\CloudContent" /v "DisableSpotlightCollectionOnDesktop" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager" /v "RotatingLockScreenOverlayEnabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager" /v "SubscribedContent-338387Enabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f :: Win11 Computer-> R-Click-> restore Win10 Context Menu reg add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /ve /d ""