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Doctors not too long ago would tell you that infants don't experience pain. There are a lot of not backed by science beliefs in the medical field that won't di

by bagels 1y ago

Doctors not too long ago would tell you that infants don't experience pain. There are a lot of not backed by science beliefs in the medical field that won't die until the doctors that believe them do. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23548489/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23548489/

Hydraulix989 1y ago
An example is that thin people cannot possibly have sleep apnea, it only affects overweight people. Overly-confident Dunning-Kruger doctors adamantly declared this as "truth" to me enough times that it stalled me getting properly treated at least a decade.
bookofjoe 1y ago
'A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.' — Max Planck
- mrguyorama 1y ago
  Which is a funny thing for someone who lived through and contributed to at least one entire upending of paradigms to say. PLENTY of science proceeds without anyone dying. Usually it just requires insanely entertaining loud arguments at large conventions. Go lookup the philosophical arguments about early thermodynamics and like statistical mechanics. Science advances one unexplainable datapoint at a time.
baxtr 1y ago
Too much protein is bad for your kidneys!!! PS: this has been debunked, still docs keep saying it.
- leereeves 1y ago
  I've heard there is good evidence that weightlifters eating an appropriate (high) protein intake for hypertrophy don't harm healthy kidneys, though the sources seemed biased. But has that statement been debunked for sedentary people or people with kidney disease?
  - baxtr 1y ago
    https://physiqonomics.com/are-high-protein-diets-bad-for-you/ https://physiqonomics.com/are-high-protein-diets-bad-for-you... Had a great overview. > As long as you have don’t have pre-existing kidney issues, you don’t need to worry about high-protein intakes killing your kidneys, and it’s time to put this myth to bed.
    - leereeves 1y ago
      Unfortunately most of the research cited there was in "resistance-trained" individuals (and one in nurses, who are far from sedentary). The meta analysis also included at least some research on active individuals. And the author is a bodybuilder and fitness coach. The one study of overweight individuals mentioned found no adverse side effects but only lasted six months, which may not be long enough for clinical effects to become obvious. Also, the author overlooked gout entirely. Based on all that, I'm not convinced it is safe for sedentary individuals. I think the author should have written: > As long as you are highly active and have don’t have pre-existing kidney issues...
      - jonnybgood 1y ago
        What convinces you that it’s unsafe?
        leereeves 1y ago
        I'm not convinced that it's unsafe either, but I'd like to see stronger evidence than a blog post citing selected research.
- mapt 1y ago
  I don't think this has been debunked. I think it's an omnipresent concern in people with 10-20% kidney function left, and outside that cohort, it's a concern if you're getting a supermajority of your calories from protein for a prolonged period of time (which is quite rare/expensive for most of us) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_toxicity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_toxicity Most people who eat "high protein diets" are not actually eating all that much protein, because their food is laced with lots of fat and some carbs. The guy eating burgers and sausage all day long is actually on a high-fat diet. This fools people because fat is so nutritionally dense, and because lean protein is basically always chock-full of bulky water. The soy "protein" I'm eating still has fat and carbs.
  - baxtr 1y ago
    I don’t think it’s relevant what we think on this matter. The studies have debunked this. See the link in my other comment for actual studies. Re your link: Yes, most things are toxic if consumed in vast amounts, even water.

by bagels 1y ago

Hydraulix989 1y ago

An example is that thin people cannot possibly have sleep apnea, it only affects overweight people. Overly-confident Dunning-Kruger doctors adamantly declared this as "truth" to me enough times that it stalled me getting properly treated at least a decade.

bookofjoe 1y ago

'A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.' — Max Planck

mrguyorama 1y ago
Which is a funny thing for someone who lived through and contributed to at least one entire upending of paradigms to say. PLENTY of science proceeds without anyone dying. Usually it just requires insanely entertaining loud arguments at large conventions. Go lookup the philosophical arguments about early thermodynamics and like statistical mechanics. Science advances one unexplainable datapoint at a time.

baxtr 1y ago

Too much protein is bad for your kidneys!!! PS: this has been debunked, still docs keep saying it.

leereeves 1y ago
I've heard there is good evidence that weightlifters eating an appropriate (high) protein intake for hypertrophy don't harm healthy kidneys, though the sources seemed biased. But has that statement been debunked for sedentary people or people with kidney disease?
- baxtr 1y ago
  https://physiqonomics.com/are-high-protein-diets-bad-for-you/ https://physiqonomics.com/are-high-protein-diets-bad-for-you... Had a great overview. > As long as you have don’t have pre-existing kidney issues, you don’t need to worry about high-protein intakes killing your kidneys, and it’s time to put this myth to bed.
  - leereeves 1y ago
    Unfortunately most of the research cited there was in "resistance-trained" individuals (and one in nurses, who are far from sedentary). The meta analysis also included at least some research on active individuals. And the author is a bodybuilder and fitness coach. The one study of overweight individuals mentioned found no adverse side effects but only lasted six months, which may not be long enough for clinical effects to become obvious. Also, the author overlooked gout entirely. Based on all that, I'm not convinced it is safe for sedentary individuals. I think the author should have written: > As long as you are highly active and have don’t have pre-existing kidney issues...
    - jonnybgood 1y ago
      What convinces you that it’s unsafe?
      - leereeves 1y ago
        I'm not convinced that it's unsafe either, but I'd like to see stronger evidence than a blog post citing selected research.
mapt 1y ago
I don't think this has been debunked. I think it's an omnipresent concern in people with 10-20% kidney function left, and outside that cohort, it's a concern if you're getting a supermajority of your calories from protein for a prolonged period of time (which is quite rare/expensive for most of us) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_toxicity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_toxicity Most people who eat "high protein diets" are not actually eating all that much protein, because their food is laced with lots of fat and some carbs. The guy eating burgers and sausage all day long is actually on a high-fat diet. This fools people because fat is so nutritionally dense, and because lean protein is basically always chock-full of bulky water. The soy "protein" I'm eating still has fat and carbs.
- baxtr 1y ago
  I don’t think it’s relevant what we think on this matter. The studies have debunked this. See the link in my other comment for actual studies. Re your link: Yes, most things are toxic if consumed in vast amounts, even water.