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>OIGs are structured to be independent specifically to avoid the "investigating yourself" problem. You ever worked in an organization that had an OIG and met t

>OIGs are structured to be independent specifically to avoid the "investigating yourself" problem. You ever worked in an organization that had an OIG and met the folks that work there? They wear the same uniform you do, and their behavior betrays that fact.

rainsford 1y ago
I do have some experience, and while I certainly won't argue they're perfect, my observation has been that they're more than capable of delivering conclusions that reflect negatively on an organization. Dismissing their conclusions out-of-hand in favor of an alternative theory with no evidence feels like just believing what you want to believe.
- AustinDev 1y ago
  >Dismissing their conclusions out-of-hand in favor of an alternative theory with no evidence feels like just believing what you want to believe. Of course. I've also seen them first-hand nearly ruin multiple careers and marriages over allegations that were easily disproven at the onset of the investigation (Person wasn't even on base when incident allegedly occurred in this case). By the time the investigations had cleared the accused of wrongdoing they were already passed up for a promotion and nearly ready to retire after 4 years of needless investigation. Part of the 'punishment' is the investigation itself. In my experience OIGs are political beasts because they're made of up humans which are inherently tribal/political. I was saying nothing to the veracity of alternative theory.
  - itsdrewmiller 1y ago
    Isn't this the exact opposite point of your previous comment, and consistent with what the parent comment is saying? If they're willing to ruin careers over incorrect allegations then certainly they are willing to investigate true problems.
- philwelch 1y ago
  > alternative theory with no evidence This is a straw man.

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>OIGs are structured to be independent specifically to avoid the "investigating yourself" problem. You ever worked in an organization that had an OIG and met t

by AustinDev 1y ago

rainsford 1y ago
I do have some experience, and while I certainly won't argue they're perfect, my observation has been that they're more than capable of delivering conclusions that reflect negatively on an organization. Dismissing their conclusions out-of-hand in favor of an alternative theory with no evidence feels like just believing what you want to believe.
- AustinDev 1y ago
  >Dismissing their conclusions out-of-hand in favor of an alternative theory with no evidence feels like just believing what you want to believe. Of course. I've also seen them first-hand nearly ruin multiple careers and marriages over allegations that were easily disproven at the onset of the investigation (Person wasn't even on base when incident allegedly occurred in this case). By the time the investigations had cleared the accused of wrongdoing they were already passed up for a promotion and nearly ready to retire after 4 years of needless investigation. Part of the 'punishment' is the investigation itself. In my experience OIGs are political beasts because they're made of up humans which are inherently tribal/political. I was saying nothing to the veracity of alternative theory.
  - itsdrewmiller 1y ago
    Isn't this the exact opposite point of your previous comment, and consistent with what the parent comment is saying? If they're willing to ruin careers over incorrect allegations then certainly they are willing to investigate true problems.
- philwelch 1y ago
  > alternative theory with no evidence This is a straw man.