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> very rough on you How so?

by louthy 1y ago

Etheryte 1y ago
To start, the article gives a few good examples: > children sometimes wake up from anesthesia with a set of side effects including lack of eye contact, inconsolability, unawareness of surroundings, restlessness, and non-purposeful movements In general, a very simple mental model for general anesthesia is that it's an unnatural state for your body and your body will do its best to get rid of it, similar to say alcohol or drugs. This means systemic inflammation, stress on your cardiovascular system, liver and kidneys, brain, and so forth. Most all of these issues scale with how much anesthetic you receive, similar to a hangover being worse the more you drink. In other words, general anesthesia is rough on you just like getting black out drunk is, it's just more controlled and we do our best to try and limit the downsides because it's invaluable for surgery where applicable.
- logifail 1y ago
  > In other words, general anesthesia is rough on you Can confirm having watched our kids recover from general anesthesia multiple times. Full disclosure: have three kids, eldest child at lifetime total of 4x general anesthesia so far (1x for endoscopy, 3x for surgery), youngest child lifetime total of two (1x endoscopy, 1x dental work). Middle child seems to have escaped so far... he asked recently what it was like, siblings answered unanimously - "terrible".
  - halper 1y ago
    Interesting. My adventurous child (soon 10) has been under thrice and generally remembers nothing unpleasant, despite it being a bit worrying for the parents. She has been a bit confused and weird upon waking up, but whatever they have given her to ease her transition into waking life appears to have made her forget it. She tends to remember talking to me (or watching Bluey) in the OR and then she is talking to some doctor in another room, wondering why they are not putting her to sleep. The experience has been quite smooth despite one of the times taking place in more of an emergency setting after an accident.
aziaziazi 1y ago
Rough like the roughest hangover you can have. I had a general anesthesia at 21 for dental surgery. The come back was a nightmare: nausea, shaking, cold and hot alternating, terrible headache, cramps, exhausted and mentally depressed during ~2 days. I couldn't eat, I couldn't drink (but brute force myself to do it), I couldn't think or concentrate on anything but the pain. The only close experience I can remember is the wake up after a blackout hangover but it really wasn't that bad compare to the anesthesia. 6 years later a car crash required artificial coma during 3 days. They drug me along the week following my come back. The dreams during the last day of coma and that week took me through fascinating and terrifying experiences half real (intubation, interactions with family and medics...) and imaginary (ever-repeting-same-day, interns having a fireplace in the ICU floor with guitars, mind-controlled bed to move around the room...). They finally gradually stop the drug and I was only a bit angry and physically suffering from my injuries but not that bad. Big up to the amazing Royal Perth Hospital team for that amazing care. They saved my life and made the process a confortable trip. I always wonder what was that drug that produce so weird half-wake dreams with not much side effects. And why they don't always use that for dental surgery and everything else. I heard hypnosis can work instead of a classical general anesthesia and am keen to try if the funny Australian drug isn't an option. Everything but not the general anesthesia. edit: wonder if both experiences could have been the same sedative drug but the second had a hypnotic wake-up parachute drug during the comeback.
- holowoodman 1y ago
  Probably Ketamine.
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- louthy 1y ago
  > Rough like the roughest hangover you can have I’ve had one for an operation on a broken jaw, just didn’t think it was particularly rough. Of course it takes time to come round and be clear headed, but the OP kinda implied serious physical problems with “dangerous and very rough on you”. Maybe I just misunderstood what they were saying, but I thought they meant rough as in long lasting damage (which I didn’t think was the case), not temporary discomfort. Your situation obviously isn’t ideal, but doesn’t have the same implication. > I always wonder what was that drug that produce so weird half-wake dreams The sibling comment here mentions Ketamine, which is possible, but if they’re giving that to you intravenously then all perception of time and space will be warped. It’s extreme. So wild dreams is one thing, questioning what is even real is more like ketamine. It is after effect free though and doesn’t last long, so once stopped you can be over it within the hour. It also has antidepressant effects afterwards.
nchase 1y ago
I had anesthesia for a surgery at age 15 and I was depressed for a year afterward. I’m sure everyone’s experience is different, but it made me feel groggy in a way that was difficult to bounce back from.
- aziaziazi 1y ago
  That’s a shame. I hope you’re better known.

> very rough on you How so?

by louthy 1y ago

> very rough on you How so?

To start, the article gives a few good examples: > children sometimes wake up from anesthesia with a set of side effects including lack of eye contact, inconsolability, unawareness of surroundings, restlessness, and non-purposeful movements In general, a very simple mental model for general anesthesia is that it's an unnatural state for your body and your body will do its best to get rid of it, similar to say alcohol or drugs. This means systemic inflammation, stress on your cardiovascular system, liver and kidneys, brain, and so forth. Most all of these issues scale with how much anesthetic you receive, similar to a hangover being worse the more you drink. In other words, general anesthesia is rough on you just like getting black out drunk is, it's just more controlled and we do our best to try and limit the downsides because it's invaluable for surgery where applicable.

logifail 1y ago
> In other words, general anesthesia is rough on you Can confirm having watched our kids recover from general anesthesia multiple times. Full disclosure: have three kids, eldest child at lifetime total of 4x general anesthesia so far (1x for endoscopy, 3x for surgery), youngest child lifetime total of two (1x endoscopy, 1x dental work). Middle child seems to have escaped so far... he asked recently what it was like, siblings answered unanimously - "terrible".
- halper 1y ago
  Interesting. My adventurous child (soon 10) has been under thrice and generally remembers nothing unpleasant, despite it being a bit worrying for the parents. She has been a bit confused and weird upon waking up, but whatever they have given her to ease her transition into waking life appears to have made her forget it. She tends to remember talking to me (or watching Bluey) in the OR and then she is talking to some doctor in another room, wondering why they are not putting her to sleep. The experience has been quite smooth despite one of the times taking place in more of an emergency setting after an accident.

aziaziazi 1y ago

Rough like the roughest hangover you can have. I had a general anesthesia at 21 for dental surgery. The come back was a nightmare: nausea, shaking, cold and hot alternating, terrible headache, cramps, exhausted and mentally depressed during ~2 days. I couldn't eat, I couldn't drink (but brute force myself to do it), I couldn't think or concentrate on anything but the pain. The only close experience I can remember is the wake up after a blackout hangover but it really wasn't that bad compare to the anesthesia. 6 years later a car crash required artificial coma during 3 days. They drug me along the week following my come back. The dreams during the last day of coma and that week took me through fascinating and terrifying experiences half real (intubation, interactions with family and medics...) and imaginary (ever-repeting-same-day, interns having a fireplace in the ICU floor with guitars, mind-controlled bed to move around the room...). They finally gradually stop the drug and I was only a bit angry and physically suffering from my injuries but not that bad. Big up to the amazing Royal Perth Hospital team for that amazing care. They saved my life and made the process a confortable trip. I always wonder what was that drug that produce so weird half-wake dreams with not much side effects. And why they don't always use that for dental surgery and everything else. I heard hypnosis can work instead of a classical general anesthesia and am keen to try if the funny Australian drug isn't an option. Everything but not the general anesthesia. edit: wonder if both experiences could have been the same sedative drug but the second had a hypnotic wake-up parachute drug during the comeback.

holowoodman 1y ago
Probably Ketamine.
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louthy 1y ago
> Rough like the roughest hangover you can have I’ve had one for an operation on a broken jaw, just didn’t think it was particularly rough. Of course it takes time to come round and be clear headed, but the OP kinda implied serious physical problems with “dangerous and very rough on you”. Maybe I just misunderstood what they were saying, but I thought they meant rough as in long lasting damage (which I didn’t think was the case), not temporary discomfort. Your situation obviously isn’t ideal, but doesn’t have the same implication. > I always wonder what was that drug that produce so weird half-wake dreams The sibling comment here mentions Ketamine, which is possible, but if they’re giving that to you intravenously then all perception of time and space will be warped. It’s extreme. So wild dreams is one thing, questioning what is even real is more like ketamine. It is after effect free though and doesn’t last long, so once stopped you can be over it within the hour. It also has antidepressant effects afterwards.

nchase 1y ago

I had anesthesia for a surgery at age 15 and I was depressed for a year afterward. I’m sure everyone’s experience is different, but it made me feel groggy in a way that was difficult to bounce back from.

aziaziazi 1y ago
That’s a shame. I hope you’re better known.