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In the actual OIG report, it seemed the person who gave "answers" to the test didn't actually have the behavioral test or the answer key. He stated he stressed

In the actual OIG report, it seemed the person who gave "answers" to the test didn't actually have the behavioral test or the answer key. He stated he stressed things like answering questions like an air traffic control "and we’re alpha personalities, we’re dominating, we don’t take no for an answer." He also mentions that he got calls, from multiple people, saying they failed the behavioral test. So it seems that while he did coach answers, they weren't the literal test answers, but rather advice one could have gotten from public sources with enough research or presumably, talking to some FAA air traffic controllers. In the end, the report stated the findings in the investigation did not warrant a referral to a federal prosecutor.

philwelch 1y ago
The FAA investigated itself and found no misconduct. Sorry, I don’t buy it. The evidence from the still-in-progress lawsuit is pretty clear.
- rainsford 1y ago
  OIGs are structured to be independent specifically to avoid the "investigating yourself" problem. There also doesn't seem to be much evidence the person who shared information about the test was acting at the direction of the FAA, rather than as a rogue employee. That would certainly be a key factor in the lawsuit, so it will be telling whether it comes out.
  - philwelch 1y ago
    > There also doesn't seem to be much evidence the person who shared information about the test was acting at the direction of the FAA There’s no other reasonable explanation for the biographical questionnaire and its utterly arbitrary scoring criteria.
  - AustinDev 1y ago
    >OIGs are structured to be independent specifically to avoid the "investigating yourself" problem. You ever worked in an organization that had an OIG and met the folks that work there? They wear the same uniform you do, and their behavior betrays that fact.
    - rainsford 1y ago
      I do have some experience, and while I certainly won't argue they're perfect, my observation has been that they're more than capable of delivering conclusions that reflect negatively on an organization. Dismissing their conclusions out-of-hand in favor of an alternative theory with no evidence feels like just believing what you want to believe.
      - AustinDev 1y ago
        >Dismissing their conclusions out-of-hand in favor of an alternative theory with no evidence feels like just believing what you want to believe. Of course. I've also seen them first-hand nearly ruin multiple careers and marriages over allegations that were easily disproven at the onset of the investigation (Person wasn't even on base when incident allegedly occurred in this case). By the time the investigations had cleared the accused of wrongdoing they were already passed up for a promotion and nearly ready to retire after 4 years of needless investigation. Part of the 'punishment' is the investigation itself. In my experience OIGs are political beasts because they're made of up humans which are inherently tribal/political. I was saying nothing to the veracity of alternative theory.
        itsdrewmiller 1y ago
        Isn't this the exact opposite point of your previous comment, and consistent with what the parent comment is saying? If they're willing to ruin careers over incorrect allegations then certainly they are willing to investigate true problems.
      - philwelch 1y ago
        > alternative theory with no evidence This is a straw man.
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philwelch 1y ago

The FAA investigated itself and found no misconduct. Sorry, I don’t buy it. The evidence from the still-in-progress lawsuit is pretty clear.

rainsford 1y ago
OIGs are structured to be independent specifically to avoid the "investigating yourself" problem. There also doesn't seem to be much evidence the person who shared information about the test was acting at the direction of the FAA, rather than as a rogue employee. That would certainly be a key factor in the lawsuit, so it will be telling whether it comes out.
- philwelch 1y ago
  > There also doesn't seem to be much evidence the person who shared information about the test was acting at the direction of the FAA There’s no other reasonable explanation for the biographical questionnaire and its utterly arbitrary scoring criteria.
- AustinDev 1y ago
  >OIGs are structured to be independent specifically to avoid the "investigating yourself" problem. You ever worked in an organization that had an OIG and met the folks that work there? They wear the same uniform you do, and their behavior betrays that fact.
  - rainsford 1y ago
    I do have some experience, and while I certainly won't argue they're perfect, my observation has been that they're more than capable of delivering conclusions that reflect negatively on an organization. Dismissing their conclusions out-of-hand in favor of an alternative theory with no evidence feels like just believing what you want to believe.
    - AustinDev 1y ago
      >Dismissing their conclusions out-of-hand in favor of an alternative theory with no evidence feels like just believing what you want to believe. Of course. I've also seen them first-hand nearly ruin multiple careers and marriages over allegations that were easily disproven at the onset of the investigation (Person wasn't even on base when incident allegedly occurred in this case). By the time the investigations had cleared the accused of wrongdoing they were already passed up for a promotion and nearly ready to retire after 4 years of needless investigation. Part of the 'punishment' is the investigation itself. In my experience OIGs are political beasts because they're made of up humans which are inherently tribal/political. I was saying nothing to the veracity of alternative theory.
      - itsdrewmiller 1y ago
        Isn't this the exact opposite point of your previous comment, and consistent with what the parent comment is saying? If they're willing to ruin careers over incorrect allegations then certainly they are willing to investigate true problems.
    - philwelch 1y ago
      > alternative theory with no evidence This is a straw man.
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