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It'll be interesting to see how this industry will adapt as cars become more automated.

mc32 14y ago
That's a good point. As cars become more automated and perhaps evolve into a fleet of roving cars one "hires", or even the personal ones, I can see where a driver or passenger has to be "authenticated" as they are let in. In addition, the automobiles would be in constant communication about any state with a central office. Something to this effect would obviate the need for external cameras, as one might assume this level of automation would allow for the autonomous vehicle to know if it was able to drive/ambulate legally or not (i.e., I'm not in compliance, do you wish to override, you can override 5 times before having to take it into a shop to have it re-registered and validated and authorized to carry people, etc.
- Wingman4l7 14y ago
  As a passenger, why would you have to authenticate? You don't have to do this for taxis. At the most, you'd just have to prove up-front you could pay, and/or put a deposit down against damage to the interior. If automated vehicles become common enough, the tracking issue might solve itself, as you'd be making micro-payments to a service, traveling anonymously, instead of owning your own vehicle.
  - mc32 14y ago
    I was thinking that in the scenario where there is a roving fleet of non-chauffeured cars for hire, one would auth (or identify oneself) so that it was known who to charge back in a non-repudiable way. As a side-effect, it could be enhanced to check to see if the person did't have any outstanding warrants, leans, etc. against them. The system could, if allowed be programmed in such way, to take the person in, if it was certain/verifiable the person was "wanted" by the authorities. It sounds very dystopian, but it could happen, if the circumstances are right.
    - Wingman4l7 14y ago
      Again, why would you need to authenticate yourself? As an example, you usually don't have to authenticate when you pay for something with a card -- you just authenticate that the card is valid / has sufficient funds. That's why fraud detection for cards exists -- because you can use a card without being the owner. Also, there are prepaid cards, and cash (assuming that still exists). As for your other idea, Minority Report beat you to it -- when the authorities find out that the protagonist they are pursuing is riding in a certain taxi-car-pod, they lock it down and try to bring it in.
      - mc32 14y ago
        Auth to make it non-repudiable. Right now with peopled (staffed) services, one can ask to check ID, if there is a level of suspicion, that's a type of authentication, the way I see things. Since these cars would not have an "agent" they'd, given circumstances and business model, may have a need to ID people in a non-repudiable way. I wasn't trying to beat a sci-fi scenario out. Just saying that this kind of automation would make the scenario possible, given the right legal allowances. It would be both useful (from a crime-fighting POV) and also very big-brother controlling. So I guess it depends on the balance people might find acceptable.

mc32 14y ago

That's a good point. As cars become more automated and perhaps evolve into a fleet of roving cars one "hires", or even the personal ones, I can see where a driver or passenger has to be "authenticated" as they are let in. In addition, the automobiles would be in constant communication about any state with a central office. Something to this effect would obviate the need for external cameras, as one might assume this level of automation would allow for the autonomous vehicle to know if it was able to drive/ambulate legally or not (i.e., I'm not in compliance, do you wish to override, you can override 5 times before having to take it into a shop to have it re-registered and validated and authorized to carry people, etc.

Wingman4l7 14y ago
As a passenger, why would you have to authenticate? You don't have to do this for taxis. At the most, you'd just have to prove up-front you could pay, and/or put a deposit down against damage to the interior. If automated vehicles become common enough, the tracking issue might solve itself, as you'd be making micro-payments to a service, traveling anonymously, instead of owning your own vehicle.
- mc32 14y ago
  I was thinking that in the scenario where there is a roving fleet of non-chauffeured cars for hire, one would auth (or identify oneself) so that it was known who to charge back in a non-repudiable way. As a side-effect, it could be enhanced to check to see if the person did't have any outstanding warrants, leans, etc. against them. The system could, if allowed be programmed in such way, to take the person in, if it was certain/verifiable the person was "wanted" by the authorities. It sounds very dystopian, but it could happen, if the circumstances are right.
  - Wingman4l7 14y ago
    Again, why would you need to authenticate yourself? As an example, you usually don't have to authenticate when you pay for something with a card -- you just authenticate that the card is valid / has sufficient funds. That's why fraud detection for cards exists -- because you can use a card without being the owner. Also, there are prepaid cards, and cash (assuming that still exists). As for your other idea, Minority Report beat you to it -- when the authorities find out that the protagonist they are pursuing is riding in a certain taxi-car-pod, they lock it down and try to bring it in.
    - mc32 14y ago
      Auth to make it non-repudiable. Right now with peopled (staffed) services, one can ask to check ID, if there is a level of suspicion, that's a type of authentication, the way I see things. Since these cars would not have an "agent" they'd, given circumstances and business model, may have a need to ID people in a non-repudiable way. I wasn't trying to beat a sci-fi scenario out. Just saying that this kind of automation would make the scenario possible, given the right legal allowances. It would be both useful (from a crime-fighting POV) and also very big-brother controlling. So I guess it depends on the balance people might find acceptable.