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Crampons are not remotely close to standard rock climbing gear. Mountaineering yes, climbing no.

ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
Been a long time, so I’m likely misremembering. I also did a great deal of camping and hiking, with similar admonitions. Fruits of a … colorful … childhood. I was sent to a number of “diversionary” curricula.
- ghaff 2y ago
  Crampons are definitely mountaineering/winter hiking gear which I used to do a fair bit of. (For lower-grade winter hiking, various silicon spikes plus single-layer boots are pretty popular even among relative serious hikers up to some level.) Not rock climbing, which I always sort of hated :-) But, yeah, even a decent collection of 4-season hiking/backpacking/camping gear--even if you exclude the previous gen stuff you don't really use any longer can easily get into the thousands of dollars though people do scrape by with consignment and the like. But, by the way, that's one of the issues. In the natural course of things, you can pick up relative bargains over time, If you're presented with "repopulate your house in the next few weeks" not so much. In fact, I'm presented with the latter in the next month or so. Will have to rebuy a bunch of kitchen stuff in particular fairly quickly and I'll probably just place some big orders with Amazon, Sur La Table, and a handful of other companies without doing much in the way of careful shopping other than pulling from various lists.
  - LorenPechtel 2y ago
    Yeah, true replacement cost is often well above "retail" because of the time factor. And hiking is one of those sports where you end up with a lot of stuff duplicated in bigger/smaller and/or warmer/cooler.
    - ghaff 2y ago
      I never went out to buy a hiking outfit/collection after a class or whatever at a store. Had I, I'm sure it would have been more expensive and ultimately sub-optimal relative to what I own.
      - LorenPechtel 2y ago
        I'm talking about things like jackets of various weights, packs of various sizes. I have both medium (for wearing alone) and large (for when I'm wearing layers) jackets. I have gloves in various warmth levels.
LorenPechtel 2y ago
Treat it more generally--gear that you are in some fashion going to trust your life to. It doesn't even need to be something fancy--a couple of days ago I was out on a hike and realized a companion was wearing jeans. The terrain was slightly scrambly (nothing that required any skill) and in a canyon that should have had a stream at this time of year. Fall into that in jeans and hypothermia becomes a very real issue.

Been a long time, so I’m likely misremembering. I also did a great deal of camping and hiking, with similar admonitions. Fruits of a … colorful … childhood. I was sent to a number of “diversionary” curricula.

ghaff 2y ago
Crampons are definitely mountaineering/winter hiking gear which I used to do a fair bit of. (For lower-grade winter hiking, various silicon spikes plus single-layer boots are pretty popular even among relative serious hikers up to some level.) Not rock climbing, which I always sort of hated :-) But, yeah, even a decent collection of 4-season hiking/backpacking/camping gear--even if you exclude the previous gen stuff you don't really use any longer can easily get into the thousands of dollars though people do scrape by with consignment and the like. But, by the way, that's one of the issues. In the natural course of things, you can pick up relative bargains over time, If you're presented with "repopulate your house in the next few weeks" not so much. In fact, I'm presented with the latter in the next month or so. Will have to rebuy a bunch of kitchen stuff in particular fairly quickly and I'll probably just place some big orders with Amazon, Sur La Table, and a handful of other companies without doing much in the way of careful shopping other than pulling from various lists.
- LorenPechtel 2y ago
  Yeah, true replacement cost is often well above "retail" because of the time factor. And hiking is one of those sports where you end up with a lot of stuff duplicated in bigger/smaller and/or warmer/cooler.
  - ghaff 2y ago
    I never went out to buy a hiking outfit/collection after a class or whatever at a store. Had I, I'm sure it would have been more expensive and ultimately sub-optimal relative to what I own.
    - LorenPechtel 2y ago
      I'm talking about things like jackets of various weights, packs of various sizes. I have both medium (for wearing alone) and large (for when I'm wearing layers) jackets. I have gloves in various warmth levels.

LorenPechtel 2y ago

Treat it more generally--gear that you are in some fashion going to trust your life to. It doesn't even need to be something fancy--a couple of days ago I was out on a hike and realized a companion was wearing jeans. The terrain was slightly scrambly (nothing that required any skill) and in a canyon that should have had a stream at this time of year. Fall into that in jeans and hypothermia becomes a very real issue.