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> Please cite your statistics. Rape culture seeks to describe why rape occurs and is promoted within a society. As per usual, Wikipedia has the overview: http:

> Please cite your statistics. Rape culture seeks to describe why rape occurs and is promoted within a society. As per usual, Wikipedia has the overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture. EDIT: Another good resource I use for this same convo that happen inevitably someone mentions sexism in a male space like Hacker News: http://www.shakesville.com/2009/10/rape-culture-101.html http://www.shakesville.com/2009/10/rape-culture-101.html > This is a hacker convention. Not a thing-PG-recontextualized-hacker-as convention. I didn't realize considering yourself a hacker was a license to violate other people. > The broad brushes with which you paint are not helping. Laying inaccurate generalizations like this on the very people in positions to help solve the problem disenchants and disinterests them. That women are not in positions to solve this issue or be empowered to not have to deal with these situations is the problem in the first place. If someone can't be interested in being a basic human being that provides a safe space for a conference, perhaps they should re-evaluate what they are doing and stop.

cbs 14y ago
Are you just looking to pick a fight? I don't disagree with the parent post's point. I disagree with the way they are arguing it. I can fully, 1000% get behind the statement that "Rape-culture and patriarchy are definitely major society-wide issues", but if they want to make the casual accusation that "they undeniably find a special welcoming home within geek culture", I'm going to fucking call you on it unless you can bring some proof. Again, I'm not disagreeing that there is a problem, I'm disagreeing with the assertation that the hacker community "prides itself on merit and intelligence at first". That's it. Again, I'm not saying that assault at defcon isn't a problem, what I am saying is that labeling a huge swath of people as "men's right's advocates and evopsych true-believers and other terrible terrible people", is in fact counter-productive. I was at defcon and wasn't even aware that sexual conduct there was a problem until I talked with a goon that saturday night. Does that make me a men's right advocate? Or a evopsych? I see that you're just looking to pick a fight, I should have never taken the bait.
- coridactyl 14y ago
  An attack on culture is not an attack on community. You're part of the community by default, but you can be better than the failings of its culture. No one is baiting anyone here except the people who feel the need to poke holes in a call for decency.
  - cbs 14y ago
    * No one is baiting anyone here except the people who feel the need to poke holes in a call for decency.* Am I supposed to sit back and just let ends I happen to agree with justify means that I don't? Why?
    - coridactyl 14y ago
      No, because I don't get to tell you what to do. All I get to do is tell you what I think, and I think you cried "Troll!" at someone's honest attempt to participate in a discussion. By all means, disagree. Just try not to freak out when other people disagree with your disagreement.

cbs 14y ago

Are you just looking to pick a fight? I don't disagree with the parent post's point. I disagree with the way they are arguing it. I can fully, 1000% get behind the statement that "Rape-culture and patriarchy are definitely major society-wide issues", but if they want to make the casual accusation that "they undeniably find a special welcoming home within geek culture", I'm going to fucking call you on it unless you can bring some proof. Again, I'm not disagreeing that there is a problem, I'm disagreeing with the assertation that the hacker community "prides itself on merit and intelligence at first". That's it. Again, I'm not saying that assault at defcon isn't a problem, what I am saying is that labeling a huge swath of people as "men's right's advocates and evopsych true-believers and other terrible terrible people", is in fact counter-productive. I was at defcon and wasn't even aware that sexual conduct there was a problem until I talked with a goon that saturday night. Does that make me a men's right advocate? Or a evopsych? I see that you're just looking to pick a fight, I should have never taken the bait.

coridactyl 14y ago
An attack on culture is not an attack on community. You're part of the community by default, but you can be better than the failings of its culture. No one is baiting anyone here except the people who feel the need to poke holes in a call for decency.
- cbs 14y ago
  * No one is baiting anyone here except the people who feel the need to poke holes in a call for decency.* Am I supposed to sit back and just let ends I happen to agree with justify means that I don't? Why?
  - coridactyl 14y ago
    No, because I don't get to tell you what to do. All I get to do is tell you what I think, and I think you cried "Troll!" at someone's honest attempt to participate in a discussion. By all means, disagree. Just try not to freak out when other people disagree with your disagreement.