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> America Obviously America refers to the continent, so I'll use the shorthand country name "the US" instead. > is the best That may be true, but I do wonder

> America Obviously America refers to the continent, so I'll use the shorthand country name "the US" instead. > is the best That may be true, but I do wonder if it was a lucky accident. What if the Irish famine hadn't happened? What if WW2 had been averted (but maybe the EU wouldn't exist...). > rural cabin That's nice, but what value is it if the forest burns down, the lake is polluted, the wild life is dead, and there's nothing left but neighboring land full of fracking wells? Glory to god.

monero-xmr 1y ago
You just have no idea how incredibly enormous and empty the US is
- concerndc1tizen 1y ago
  And yet, every viable plot of land is used for farming. Similarly, I would argue that you should not underestimate the harmful and wide-reaching effects of industry.
  - AngryData 1y ago
    Ehh US farmland usage has been dropping for many decades. That said, it is only because we are more than ever reliant upon fossil fuel derived fertilizer and over utilize a lot of arid/desert farming
  - hollerith 1y ago
    >every viable plot of land is used for farming. It is? Not in the US!
    - concerndc1tizen 1y ago
      Try using Google Maps in Satellite View. You'd be hard pressed to find land that isn't used agriculturally. IIUC, the land that is unutilized or has forest, is either protected, too hilly, too dry, etc.
      - hollerith 1y ago
        Consider New England, where in its early days most inhabitants consisted of farming families. Where there were farms and cow pastures, there is now mostly forest. There are a few farms remaining in New England, yes, but in general farmers consider the soil there not worth farming compared to places like Iowa and Southern Illinois (where all the land really is utilized for farming) even though in the past most the (sizeable) population of New England made a living farming. We know that most of the forest in New England is suitable for farming because there are still stone walls running through it: these wall were made of stones encountered by farmers while plowing (when the forest was farmland).

monero-xmr 1y ago

You just have no idea how incredibly enormous and empty the US is

concerndc1tizen 1y ago
And yet, every viable plot of land is used for farming. Similarly, I would argue that you should not underestimate the harmful and wide-reaching effects of industry.
- AngryData 1y ago
  Ehh US farmland usage has been dropping for many decades. That said, it is only because we are more than ever reliant upon fossil fuel derived fertilizer and over utilize a lot of arid/desert farming
- hollerith 1y ago
  >every viable plot of land is used for farming. It is? Not in the US!
  - concerndc1tizen 1y ago
    Try using Google Maps in Satellite View. You'd be hard pressed to find land that isn't used agriculturally. IIUC, the land that is unutilized or has forest, is either protected, too hilly, too dry, etc.
    - hollerith 1y ago
      Consider New England, where in its early days most inhabitants consisted of farming families. Where there were farms and cow pastures, there is now mostly forest. There are a few farms remaining in New England, yes, but in general farmers consider the soil there not worth farming compared to places like Iowa and Southern Illinois (where all the land really is utilized for farming) even though in the past most the (sizeable) population of New England made a living farming. We know that most of the forest in New England is suitable for farming because there are still stone walls running through it: these wall were made of stones encountered by farmers while plowing (when the forest was farmland).