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UBI is inevitable imo; we're going to continue to see machines replace humans in roles like this.

lenerdenator 1y ago
The guys with all of the money don't like paying people now when people actually deliver value with their labor. No way they do it once they can just have machines work for them. Well, not with being asked politely, at least.
- RankingMember 1y ago
  > Well, not with being asked politely, at least. yep, it definitely won't happen politely
  - vkou 1y ago
    Of all the countries in the world, it definitely won't happen in the United States.
- bayarearefugee 1y ago
  true, but on the other hand when things get bad enough the guillotine plans will probably be open sourced and freely shared.
smallmancontrov 1y ago
Swarms of murderbots are cheaper than UBI. This is going to get ugly.
- isx726552 1y ago
  I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. It is absolutely in the cards for the ownership class to send out swarms of drones to kill us all. The best we can hope for is to all end up in permanent slums picking through garbage to survive. One peep of protest a little too loud and suddenly we’ll all be living the same scenario that’s visible all over the “combat footage” portions of the web: you are walking along outdoors, you hear a buzz, and then suddenly you look up to realize there’s a drone coming at you. You panic and try to run but by the time you hear it, it’s too late. It catches up to you easily and drops a bomb on you. Or maybe it’s a smaller more targeted (and disposable) one that zips straight at your forehead and explodes on contact, destroying your brain. People may say I’m a doomsayer but just look back at the history of labor in the US. They sent out privatized security to shoot anyone who didn’t cooperate. And that was when they still needed the workers! Just imagine what they’ll do when they no longer need anyone!
  - throwaway48476 1y ago
    There's a lot of truth to that however the supply chain for everything today has never been longer or had more intermediaries. It's like a house of cards built ever higher and no one has budgeted anything for resilience. JIT, outsourcing, etc, everything is cheaper at the cost of resilience.
    - isx726552 1y ago
      Oh yes I’ve thought of that, but I’m sure they have too. If AI advances to the point where everyone is out of work, then it will have also likely advanced to the point where it can aid in getting around the current supply chain fragilities. That angle unfortunately just doesn’t give me much hope.
DrillShopper 1y ago
Who is going to willingly fund it?
- throwaway48476 1y ago
  Best case scenario another Ford comes along.
seneca 1y ago
I agree. I'm a pretty die-hard free market proponent, but as we move away from labor scarcity via automation there's just no other choice than redistribution that allows a basic lifestyle for the unemployable. The transition will be tough though.

The guys with all of the money don't like paying people now when people actually deliver value with their labor. No way they do it once they can just have machines work for them. Well, not with being asked politely, at least.

RankingMember 1y ago
> Well, not with being asked politely, at least. yep, it definitely won't happen politely
- vkou 1y ago
  Of all the countries in the world, it definitely won't happen in the United States.
bayarearefugee 1y ago
true, but on the other hand when things get bad enough the guillotine plans will probably be open sourced and freely shared.

smallmancontrov 1y ago

Swarms of murderbots are cheaper than UBI. This is going to get ugly.

isx726552 1y ago
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. It is absolutely in the cards for the ownership class to send out swarms of drones to kill us all. The best we can hope for is to all end up in permanent slums picking through garbage to survive. One peep of protest a little too loud and suddenly we’ll all be living the same scenario that’s visible all over the “combat footage” portions of the web: you are walking along outdoors, you hear a buzz, and then suddenly you look up to realize there’s a drone coming at you. You panic and try to run but by the time you hear it, it’s too late. It catches up to you easily and drops a bomb on you. Or maybe it’s a smaller more targeted (and disposable) one that zips straight at your forehead and explodes on contact, destroying your brain. People may say I’m a doomsayer but just look back at the history of labor in the US. They sent out privatized security to shoot anyone who didn’t cooperate. And that was when they still needed the workers! Just imagine what they’ll do when they no longer need anyone!
- throwaway48476 1y ago
  There's a lot of truth to that however the supply chain for everything today has never been longer or had more intermediaries. It's like a house of cards built ever higher and no one has budgeted anything for resilience. JIT, outsourcing, etc, everything is cheaper at the cost of resilience.
  - isx726552 1y ago
    Oh yes I’ve thought of that, but I’m sure they have too. If AI advances to the point where everyone is out of work, then it will have also likely advanced to the point where it can aid in getting around the current supply chain fragilities. That angle unfortunately just doesn’t give me much hope.

DrillShopper 1y ago

Who is going to willingly fund it?

throwaway48476 1y ago
Best case scenario another Ford comes along.

seneca 1y ago

I agree. I'm a pretty die-hard free market proponent, but as we move away from labor scarcity via automation there's just no other choice than redistribution that allows a basic lifestyle for the unemployable. The transition will be tough though.